Why Is It Important To Strengthen Ties Between the U.S. and Pakistan?

Posted by DipNote Bloggers
October 15, 2010
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Secretary Clinton will soon host the third high-level meeting of the U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue in Washington, DC and review the work in which 13 working groups of the United States and Pakistani governments are engaged. While in Brussels recently, Secretary Clinton said: "We...believe that stability in Pakistan is essential to our shared fight against terrorism and to protect the security of the people of our country and friends...."Why is it important to strengthen ties between the United States and Pakistan?

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mac K.
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Florida, USA
October 15, 2010

Mac K. in Florida writes:

Isn't that where Bin Laden is being given safe haven?

Angela H.
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California, USA
October 16, 2010

Angela H. in California writes:

We must stay engaged in this region where extremism and poverty are likely to grow - hand in hand. The solution is education, infrastructure, returning the nation to a safe destination for tourism and other long-term commitments that are best administered by a world body like the UN. We must also stop backing dictatorship in one nation where elections were at least in place only to tout democracy next door. It reeks of a hypocrisy which has not eluded the Pakistani people. We will not be able to send troops to all the nations that now have active terror cells, but we can focus on MDGs, including elevating the global status of women. Eliminating the crushing poverty that has proven to be a breeding ground for extremist terror groups of all types would be one of humankind’s great accomplishments.

Oystercracker
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United States
October 16, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

We have shared interests. If Pakistan came our way, America could set their economy on fire. Americans have all the tools and know how to build a wealthy country. Pakistan could be the greatest country since the invention of white bread. The Taliban can't offer Pakistani's the good life that Americans can. We can build every Pakistani a nice house, beautiful school pump clean water and develop new markets. Americans want to help Pakistan achieve its great destiny but they need to know that they have a willing partner. Americans will support and help Pakistan but they need to want our help. We need a willing partner not an uncommitted partner straddling both sides of a fence that leads to nowhere.

Rex H.
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India
October 16, 2010

Rex H. in India writes:

The outcome will depend upon how us neutralizes/or engage "Jihadis" as far we are concerned Pakis are not a threat,it is CHINA that this country has to be watchful

Donald M.
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Virginia, USA
October 18, 2010

Donald M. in Virginia writes:

@Mac K in Florida

Wheres waldo? The Hunt for Osama bin laden? I personally spent many years trying to help Authorties track Osama bin laden down. Rewiewed many tapes, documentaries, and locations, came to a conclusion there should be a Congressional Hearing to determine whether Osama bin laden is alive or dead? Years back, I asked for a Crime Scene Investigation at Tora Bora, in Afghanistan, to determine if any evidence supports his death. Then after watching Bhuttos last video where she claimed a man named Omar in Pakistan was paid 25 Million US dollars for killing Osama bin laden. Whats even more compelling is shortly after making this video she was killed in Pakistan. Keeping also in mind Osama bin ladens sons or daughters may also be involved with terrorism. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Dubai, UAE to Somalia, while China sells weapons to the Taliban. My hunch is China even though they loaned the United States billions of dollars, they most likely made Billions selling arms to Pakistan or the Al Qaeda network. If we all recall at the start of President Bush first year, a US Spy plane was taken into custody in China. Our Navy crew was held hostage for a period of time. The true insult is when China was acting like cowboys with MIGS flying or buzzing around the Spy plane when it had no weapons to defend itself, but lost one of there Migs. Then how many months later 9/11 happened. I think its quite possible that the two could of been connected. The situation I believe President Bush encountered was Terrorrism from multiple countries, not just Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and others in Africa. Global Terrorism.

James M.
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California, USA
October 18, 2010

James M. in California writes:

General Petraeus,

Are your neocon advisors (Frederick Kagan and Max Boot) trying to get US to invade Pakistan as well with the following?:

US Drone Strike Kills At Least Three Militants In Pakistan - Officials .

"http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101015-703576.html"

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MISSION CREEP IN AFPAK (by Eric Margolis)

"http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/mission-creep-in-afpa..."

Invading Pakistan (how many more Americans will have to die/get wounded & maimed as a result of such?):

"http://america-hijacked.com/2010/09/30/invading-pakistan/"

After reading the above article (by Eric Margolis) the mention of the neocon ‘divide and conquer’ plan for Pakistan is most interesting because friend Dr. Stephen Sniegoski discussed such for Iraq in his ‘The Transparent Cabal’ book (see "http://tinyurl.com/thetransparentcabal"&"http://tinyurl.com/fragmentationofiraqforIsrael" as well) which I had given a copy of to Admiral Mullen (I also arranged for a copy to be sent to Admiral Fallon). Now we can take a look at the following URL to see who has been advising you:

Neocons Resurfacing under Obama

"http://tinyurl.com/neoconsresurfacingunderobama"

You might also be interested in taking a listen/look to the recent Press TV interviews I did about the Afghan quagmire and the double standard with Israeli nukes (via the links at the following URL):

Israeli Nuke Double Standard:

"http://tinyurl.com/IsraeliNukeDoubleStandard"

The following includes the URL for the UK New Statesman blog entry about the email exchanges that I had with you (scroll down to the comments section as well if interested further):

General Petraeus Leaked Emails about Israel:

"http://tinyurl.com/petraeusinnewstatesman"

Former CIA field officer Philip Giraldi had the following article about such:

Who Owns General Petraeus?:

"http://tinyurl.com/whoownsgeneralpetraeus"

Steve Sniegoski had the following write-up about such:

President Petraeus: The Neocons’ Choice

"http://america-hijacked.com/2010/07/14/president-petraeusthe-neocons-cho...""http://tinyurl.com/Petraeustheneoconschoice"

The following interview (initial one) I did for Press TV seems to explain why no US media covered such:

Pro-Israel biased media threatens US security:

"http://tinyurl.com/proisraelbiasedmedia"

You might be interested in taking a look at the following too:

New NSA replacing Jones supports harder line against Iran (for AIPAC/Israel of course!)

"http://america-hijacked.com/2010/10/08/new-nsa-replacing-jones-supports-...""http://tinyurl.com/JonesreplacementwantsIranwar"

Sincerely,

James M.

ghulam
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Wisconsin, USA
October 17, 2010

Ghulam in Wisconsin writes:

Pakistan US relations must be reevaluated on genuine grounds and must be established on people to people basis not on govt to govt basis.There is no exact count that how much funds have flown into pakistan on account of aid but impact of that is yet to be seen .The current elected government is operating with very weak setup and have almost lost the trust of the masses.The whole system needs revamp and reform.In order to achieve this level popular elected government is the answer and that very situation will certainly help/solidify Pak/US relations.The americans of pakistani origin must be engaged and sent to pakistan to spred the word of goodwill about their life experiences as americans.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 17, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Why Is It Important To Strengthen Ties Between the U.S. and Pakistan?

Because until we deal with the bad guys , there will be no peace.

Because if there is not some mutual accountability, development cannot florish.

Because the situation in crisis management demands it to safeguard populations at risk.

Because when all is said and done folks will remember the help with disasater we gave to them longer than they will remember terrorists who are in process of defeating themselves....,

along with their sponsors...,

Karma works both ways.

And the reason folks can do this right is by sticking to that 50-50 deal you'all both make with the other.

Old theory, but one to rebuild a nation on, and stronger relations generally among folks.

AQEEL
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Pakistan
October 17, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

Pakistan,since its birth is time-tested U.S ally.U.S have equally been supportive to Pakistan and for its public in many terms/ways.Historically ,Pakistan and U.S have enjoyed excellent bilateral relationship and friendship.But back fall of Pak-Afgan,U.S -soviet war resulted in rapid increase of extremism and terrorism initiating from Afganistan after the war and spreading out globally .

Pakistan,being developing country with lesser resources and touching the land borders with Afganistan is bigger victim of that backfall of above said wars and multiple mafias are invading the country.Likewise,in my viewpoint,U.S also faced tragic incidence of 9/11 as a result of the said rebount/backfall.The error in war planning was that no measures were taken/planned to diffuse the rebount proactively.Pakistan is frontline U.S ally to fight and combat terrorism which is a big threat not only to Pakistan herself or U.S but the whole world.This increasing terrorism/extremism is not just the problem of these 2 countries. Other nations also must realise that its a global threat and contribute sincerely to combat terrorism to make the world a better place.

Since U.S and Pakistan are major countries to which are jointly fighting against terrorism for the betterment of whole world but the desired outcome has nt yet achieved thus theres a gre8 need to further strenthen ties between two countries in terms of gurilla war tactics/trainings,technological support,support in economic growth in pakistan,sharing intelligence,bringing up non corrupted mechanism through right leadership like pervez musharraf and identifying/addressing the reasons of this terrorism and take corrective measures before this fire of terrorism spread out all over the globe including U.S and Pakistan.I think theres a need of transparent trusted relationship between two countries without any trust deficit.

Enhanced ties between U.S and Pakistan will definitely result in desired outcome within given time frame.Some structural changes are also important in governance and intelligence system of both the countries.As a matter of fact,Its a global war that Pakistan and U.S are fighting on Pakistan/Afghan battlefields for better world of tomorrow.Strengtening of Pak-U.S ties will ,for sure,result in elimination of terrorism but other countries also must understand that they too can be the victims of this wave of terrorism so they too should proactively contribute to this global threat.

Saghir S.
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California, USA
October 19, 2010

Saghir S. in California writes:

Is this meeting a public event. Is Honorable State Secretary will listen to suggestion of common Pakistani people or just the government. As a USA of Pakistani descendant, how do we reach to her with our POV for US engagement in flood relief and other issues related to democracy and peace in the region.

DipNote Bloggers reply: Saghir, the meetings aren't public, but you can always reach the State Department via the contact information available here: http://contact-us.state.gov/. Please note that a listing of the working-level ("desk") officers who cover the various regions of the world is available on that page. And, of course, we always welcome hearing your ideas and suggestions here on DipNote!

Oystercracker
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United States
October 20, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

With the recent announcement of the "A New World Order" coming from the Muslim world this will be democracy and competition at its finest. I guess we never cornered the market on "New World Order" because now the West has some competition. The banks might be forced to compete and poor citizens around the world might find reasonable loans instead of being loan sharked and kept in a perpetual state of poverty. It'll be really interesting to see how this idea plays out. It looks like a world based on truly "free market principles" is about to be born......In Shallah!

Oystercracker
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United States
October 21, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

In seriousness though, If we had helped Pakistan and Afghanistan with massive development teams 20 years ago, maybe we wouldn't be in such a difficult pickle. Can piecemeal aid really work in these countries?

Muhammad I.
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Pakistan
October 21, 2010

Muhammad I. in Pakistan writes:

The aid can't work alone. What the USA need to do at this moment is to clear the minds of Pakistanis. Each side has suspicions in mind for the other. I believe the engagement of opinion leaders and common citizens under any exchange programme will make a difference.

Oystercracker
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United States
October 22, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Mohammad I,
Excellent point! I agree.

Oystercracker
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United States
October 22, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
Yet again our comments have been censored and actually changes by Dipnote. What countries censor comments? China, Russia. We seem to be losing our rights to free speech. That's very undemocratic FYI Dipnote word police.

DipNote Bloggers reply: O.C., we very rarely alter or refrain from publishing comments, and only when they violate our discussion policy (posted here: http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/about). I don't believe we've done it recently, so I'm not sure what changes you mean. Please feel free to email us at blogs@state.gov with any specific concerns!

ilia
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Puerto Rico
October 22, 2010

Ilia in Puerto Rico writes:

US military and security aid to Pakistan is a significant step of alliance and cooperation for peace and security for the world. President Zardari is on the right track.

In addition, a peaceful co-existence and mutual understanding for Pakistan and its friendly neighbors.

Peace, freedom and security.

Ashim C.
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India
October 26, 2010

Ashim K.C. in India writes:

It is most desireable that US should remain engaged in Pakistan. Hopefully, this restrains Pakistan's aggressive millitia from pursuing a violent intrusive policies against India and supportive role vis a vis Taliban and end extremism in Afghanistan from where US adminstration is committed to withdraw as much due to economic compulsions and pressure of domestic public opinion. Success would depend on how it is able to create a convictions among talibani groups in Afghanistan to see benefits of cooperation in de-talibanisation of Afghanistan. Their interests and ambitions should be more easily managable once they are delinked from the source of financial support from fundamentalists in middle east. The middle east fundamentalists can have strong links with real centers of power in Pakistan. Therefore, US adminstration and Democratic Party must find alternate channels for withdrawal from Afghanistan. Not much time is left to accomplish objectives in Afghanistan, which may be key to tackle recession with sustainability. Configuration of power structure in Pakistan being what it is, possibilities of success in Afghanistan seems remote. However, things can improve dramatically, if army in Pakistan is allowed to assume full power with backing of moderate islamic groups as matter of immediate convinience. An unstable democracy which plays up China when snubbed by US on policy issues is going to be a very difficult strategic partner.

Aqeel
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Pakistan
November 28, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@O.C,
Dear O.C,it is very unfortunate that our comments have been censored or hacked by some country even from such a high profile trusted blog..Yes this non democratic and freedom of speech will be hampered while at the same time I and other people will hesitate participating in discussions out of feeling of insecurity etc,blog should be made more secure and also a thought should be given to security of those who adds open bold inputs/comments to over here on sensitive issues.thanks.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
November 28, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Aqueel, unless you're using profanity or personal attack in your posts, then your thoughts on things will get posted by the moderator.
(see rules of discussion for the blog)
I have noticed however that if you leave the comment screen up too long while writing text in it, it may require you to refresh the page before you submit as it will often tell you that "the word in the image you entered is incorrect"( and one should highlight text of post and make a copy before refreshing the page so as to not loose your writing in the process, (up in smoke..vanished) If the comment box is blank, then you can paste your text back and re submit it.

It's a page "time out" thing that happens I think- not censorship.

OC tends to think the worst of governments, so I just don't pay a whole lot of attention to what she says anymore when most of it is untrue or speculation.

Plus you can try this at home and get the same results I did.

Be well,

EJ

oystercracker
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United States
November 28, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
I left because Eric from New Mexico doesn't believe my country peddles drugs eventhough 33 Narco traffickers were trained on an American military army base. I'm happy to speak to you eventhough my government spies
on its own citizens and they are very paranoid too. It's because they have something to hide. I love my country despite the horrible, unconscionable things they do to others. Countries that do things tend to implode on themselves. As long as I live I will try to improve my country so that Americans can be proud of our once great nation before the criminals took over.

Clamdip
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United States
November 29, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
Have you seen Osama Bin Laden, drinking a cup of Jasmine tea, cavorting with friends and whiffing fragrant flowers in the mountains of Pakistan lately?

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
November 29, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

That's your reality, OC...I'm just not buying into it.

'nuff said.

On the topic at hand, steady progress and humanitarian improvement from flooding, agricultural and educational assistance , power grid help, and closer counterterrorism efforts will help good relations have a backbone to stand up with to crisis and conflict.

John P.
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Greece
November 29, 2010

John P. in Greece writes:

@ O.C. in the U.S.A.
I got you some more fresh news!

"http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2010/sd112610.html""http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/news_releases.htm"

@Eric in New Mexico
You are right Eric about the “technical” solutions you offered. It also happened to me some times and I lost some comments (tens of pages, CHUCKLE). Your suggestions (copy-paste, new window, etc.) are Fine and useful!
I would also like to add that sometimes, when a visitor is “picked up” as a probable Foresee “sample”, he thinks that the site is getting too slow. When you press the “accept to participate/or not accept to participate” button on the Customer Satisfaction Survey menu card, you return to normal speeds while surfing DipNote.

So there is no hacking, or censorship.

Oh come on everybody! Let's quit conspiracy! Let’s write!

Aqeel
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Pakistan
November 29, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@Eric,
I dont think so i used any profanity or any personal attack to any one..simply thats not my way nor i would like it from anyone.Moreover I and O.C had very little discussions and there was nothing that should have been censored or hacked..However,O.C highlighted that to me that any of my comments are censored or hacked.That was a news for me.
Anyways,Thank you very much for guiding me on technicalities about posting a comment.
u too,be well.

DipNote Bloggers reply: Aqeel, on the rare occasions when a comment violates the comment policy and can't be published, we try to email the author and let them know and invite them to resubmit their comment without the problematic content. I don't think any of your comments have been withheld. However, if you want to ensure that we contact you if this situation ever arises, please include a valid email address on the comment form when you submit your comment.

AQEEL
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Pakistan
November 29, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@O.C,
Omg O.C,Which of comments have been censored or hacked?please highlight..I dont think so that anything like that have happened when checked up with my backup files.Further,lol @ Osama Bin Ladin drinking jasmine tea in mountains of Pakistan,am not sitting over a sattelite.. :P :).pls forward me the link if have seen him..i would be interested to watch all that on utube or any other link-smiles.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
November 29, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

@Aqueel,

It would appear (though I can't imagine why publicly) that there are those that would try and discretit this blog and the hard working honest folk that maintain this forum of free speech.

In fact it seems as if someonme wishes to discorage you from posting citing "censorship" to create doubt in your mind.

After many conversations with you I would have a hard time imagining you using profanity or attacking someone for having a differing perspective ( and we have treated those differing viewpoints with respect between us and mostly came to common understanding)

So I think on a micro-cosmic scale, we've strengthened relations between the US and Pakistan with our wee small teensy-tiny voices in the matter...(chuckle).

and that's a good thing, and I can call you friend as a result of getting to know you here.

Same with me and John in Greece, he'll tell you that we've had a few differing points of view on occasion, but it's all good.

So like...I'm on this Afghan chat room the other day that is linked from the Afghan gov website and I ask...

"Anyone seen Ussama bin Ladin lately?

Some guy by the handle of WEST_SIDE writes back and says, "He's with your mom." (who will be 80 in about two weeks)

Well, I took slight exception to that naturally and wrote him back and said, " How's things in the hood? Life is good and then you get one. It's Ok West-side, it's not your fault your mommy and daddy were brother and sister."

For a few minutes I had every Afghan on that blog laughing, then I wished everyone good luck and happiness to the nation as I signed off.

It really is a good thing this blog is moderated...(chuckle) Or I'd have gotten way to creative in my language usage by now. (LOL!)

It's tuff trying to be a citizen diplomat when you are from New Mexico.

I struggle with it every day...(chuckle).

Best,

EJ

oystercracker
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United States
November 29, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
I was being moderated because Dipnote didn't publish my retorts to one nameless prickly blogger. No worries. So you haven't seen Osama? Wikileaks states he's still alive. What do you think?

Aqeel
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Pakistan
December 4, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@ O.C,

smiles as wikileaks..by the way whats the credibility of wikileaks..I think its one smart tool being used as "third party" to to gradually leak out the pressure out of an inflated baloon so that there won't be any burst:).I think Only news that has/needs to come on surface are being announced by wikileaks so that there would nt be any sort of bang.

As for Osama,i think hes very much fond of travelling from country to country,he have spent enough time enjoying in PAK-AFGAN mountains while having jasmine tea:),By now ,in my opinion,he should have been moved on to some other countries like Iran or somewhere in Arab or should be on vacations in Yemen;) :D

Aqeel
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Pakistan
December 4, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@ Eric,

yep,i understand that some are wise and some are otherwise..not out of normal,i would say.."wise"&"Otherwise" happen to appear everywhere both in real and virtual world..and both are equally important to make things move-on.Moreover censorship is nt that bad unless one voilates the already given policy but Yes,hacking of comments is a concern for it is directly related to blog & its participant's security,Somewhere on the blog, i read that my and O.C's comments have been hacked by china,reported by O.C.

Further,having different view points is healty for they lead to dielects(Agreement out of disagreement) reaching to win/win outcome.

True,this is one good example we've strengthened relations between the US and Pakistan with our wee small teensy-tiny voices in the matter on micro-cosmic scale and knowing you from this blog,i can equally call you as friend:).However I sill believe that former president Pervez Musharraf,if comes back to power,would help in lasting,perminent strengthening of ties between our two countries and its public and even much more beyond that.Handling corrups by different tactics is just shor-term thing.

Be well.

Aqeel
December 18, 2010

Aqeel writes:

@ ERIC AND O.C:

dear friends,wishing u a very happy Merry Chrisma...may this new year will bring u the absolute best and every happiness with fullest success in all affairs of life including health,prosperity luv good fame and a lot more.:))

Aqeel

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