Join a Discussion on U.S. Engagement With Muslim Communities Worldwide

Posted by DipNote Bloggers
July 2, 2010
Conversations With America Join a Discussion on U.S. Engagement With Muslim Communities Worldwide

Update: Watch the live broadcast here.

On Friday, July 9, 2010, Steven Clemons, Director of the New America Foundation's American Strategy Program will hold a conversation with Farah Pandith, Special Representative to Muslim Communities, on the United States' engagement with Muslim communities around the world. The discussion will be moderated by Cheryl Benton, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Bureau of Public Affairs. The event will be streamed live on DipNote, the Department of State's official blog, at 11:15 a.m. (EDT). You will have the opportunity to participate through the submission of questions, some of which will be selected for response during the live broadcast. Submit your questions now here on DipNote.

This is the third in the new "Conversations with America" video series recently launched by the Bureau of Public Affairs in which the State Department's senior leadership holds monthly conversations live online with leaders of prominent non-governmental organizations. Discussion topics include foreign policy and global issues. The forums provide views of how leaders from the foreign affairs community engage the Department on pressing foreign policy issues and how both the U.S. government and civil society are working across the globe on issues that concern Americans most.

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Ismail
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United States
July 28, 2010

Ismail in the U.S.A. writes:

It is clear that the U.S government is becoming more and more involved with muslims all over the world. Why? not clear?. May be because they somehow believe that Muslims are terrorists and intend to hurt Americans. As a Muslim who lived in America for over 15 years I have to say that Islam preaches peace and forbids shedding the blood of innocent animals let alone human beings. Even in Legitimate wars, the PROPHET Muhammad peace be upon him forbade the killing of women, civillians, and children. He ordered his companions not to harm even trees. He told them to fight those who had driven them out of their homes. If there is a fool out there committing acts of violence in the name of Islam, then that has nothing to do with Islam. Just like acts of violence committed by Christians have nothing to do with Christianity. I invite all Americans to read about Islam to know for themseleves.
PEACE!

Aqeel
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Pakistan
August 1, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

Moslim is 2 largest community population after cristianity so it has its own importance..either it has to be devided into fragments or mobilized towards towards gloabal goals.Terrorism is just the lable tagged on the foreheads for terrorists u find in every country,every community,but terrorist has no religion,no nationality,no family..they have their own world.I think God father from sissly will second it too.they work for money,not for cause.

Aqeel K.
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Pakistan
August 20, 2010

Aqeel K. in Pakistan writes:

I think,inter-religion marriages among men and women are important and would be beneficial for globalization process,judism,cristians,muslims...there are ways between lines in all religions which are by the book.

OysterCracker
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United States
August 20, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel From Pakistan,
The problem with people marrying outside of their faith is that usually once children are born, one or the other parent becomes more religious and wants to pass on their faith. One Jewish father told his child that the xmas tree in their living room was a Hannukah bush. That's a clever name for a Christmas tree.

Aqeel
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Pakistan
September 3, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@OysterCracker,
True O.C I agree with what you are saying,but i would say that everytime,everything,everywhere theres a Problem but problem once identified correctly is itself its 50% solution,resolving the problem is rest of the 50%.If interfaith miarriages can play positive role in rebinding the fragments of global society,it must be addressed,projected and promoted.Emergence of religions and faiths should come as "case study" in books of political sciences and educating kids and adults in this way can be useful.changes should be made in carriculums over the globe for next tomorrow that may unite people even over the boundaries of religions.Creating awareness and educating adults and children can help..over time.Further ,what all faiths have in common is "GOOD".No single religion preaches to kill,murder,rape,theft or any form of "Evil".Religions are just different pathways going to same destination with little variations.. I would add a sort of quote here [A Blind man Asked a Wise man..,could anything be there worse than losing your eyes?..Wise man Replied:Yes,losing your "Vision"] .So all what seems to be needed is educating for better next generation.

AQEEL K.
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Pakistan
September 3, 2010

Aqeel K. in Pakistan writes:

@Eric,
E.J,I like like and agree to this concept that terrorism is vitamin deficiency,..or may be some sort of chemical imbalance in brain and body.To a large extend,terrorism can be minimised or overcome by inducing antidode in grain's/vegetable/fruits /food DNA...thats one way too to handle it.
AK

Aqeel
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Pakistan
September 4, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@Victoria in Arizona,
Victoria,ever thought why all the prophets,mozes,jesus,mohammamad etc wqere born/sent in only one part of world?perphaps population of that part @ that time crossed all the limitations and boundaries even beyond humanity.people were under dark shadow of extreme illitracy ,humans were almost savages and there was immense and urgent need of education,preachings.All the prophets preached of "GOOD".Whatever,either nature brought the revolt in their minds agaist barbarionsim,berbarism,killing of innocents,inhumnity and all other evils of society or GOD sent them with his messege of GOOD..but they tried to deliver "GOOD" to people,the law,the justice,humane,concept of empathy,love ..they all preached GOOD and launch campainns in their own ways.But people started following figures,not their preaching and we are still doing that..we got devided instead of getting united ,we remember prophets but not their preachings..preachings of absolute GOOD,the love.May be firon's agents were among us even @ that time and deviated us from following their messeges and preachings/teachings but fighting over who follows whome as a leader?Oh damn,we humans were again trapped ..we started thinking that those following moses are enemy to those who follow mohammad and/or vice versa.Traitors of humanity worked smartly to project little differences in the way of preachings of scholars/prophets to make us fight with each other again over issues which were not core messeges of all the religions.OMG,we again started fighting with each other over issues of no importance ..messengers adopted different ways to educate us as lay people.We forgot the key element of their preachings.."HUMANITY" .If we follow humanity,we follow all the religions.No hiuman can be an enemy to another human..but yes we must not forget that evil lives p[arallel to "good" within us but good in us must dominate over our evil.

OysterCracker
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United States
September 4, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
On education we both agree. Pakistan should have been investing in excellent education programs for all Pakistani's. When you truly educate, not inculcate students, they will make positive choices for their future which usually ensures political stability. It's in the absence of a strong educational program when students are easily swayed towards one ideology or another. If anything, schools should produce strong global,political thinkers who can carve out a direction for their country.

OysterCracker
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United States
September 4, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
Terrorism occurs when governments are corrupt. The problem is their solution to corruption is even more corruption. It's basically two Mafias fighting each other. Similiar to what we have in the USA.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
September 4, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

It's a lack of empathy Aqeel, I didn't use "vitamin deficiancy" in the litteral sense to describe the lack, but as a deficiancy of an essential ingrediant to living well and correctly with one's fellow humans on this planet.

Just as good diet, education, and peace is.

OysterCracker
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United States
September 5, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Eric,
I guess your vitamin deficiency theory explains why America's been at war with the rest of the world since our birth.

Aqeel
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Pakistan
September 6, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@Eric
i understand what did you mean dear Eric,but the thought of vitamin deficiency gave me an idea that manythings including terrorism can be taken as real deasease and definitely diet must have some effects on thought process,perception and reaction that can be change by altering body electrolytes and cns acting medicines to change moods.. so it can be treated/overcome with the help of this scientific approach by making changes in food/grain dna so that people can be calm and live with good and elevated mood...just a crazy thought.. :) but its possible.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
September 7, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Aqeel, well there's psycological problems and mental disorders to consider. Terrorism is definately the end product of a disturbed mind, for sure. But I'm not a medical professional.

It would be an intersting discussion though if the American Medical association would host a global debate on this, you might be right for all I know.

One way or another, the condition is treatable, but the cure won't save the terminally ill, just the rest of us.

---

OC, I'm curious...where did you get your education in American history?

Seriously...you've been sadly misinformed if you believe everything you think.

What about your freedom do you not appreciate?

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
September 8, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

To the folks at INR @ State,

News Item;

"A small US church says it will defy international condemnation and go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Koran on the 9/11 anniversary.

The top US commander in Afghanistan warned troops' lives would be in danger if the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida went through with the plan."

-BBC NEWS

Well this is just about as stupid as it gets.

I suppose if they want to be "doves", burning books is about as far away from that mindset as a hypocrite can possibly get.

I thought we outlawed book burning in this country long ago.

Along with burning crosses in people's yards and other "hate crimes".

Now All it takes is for the dept of State to make a determination that this activity represents a carbon copy of the terrorist mind we face by IED in Iraq and Afghanistan, designed to represent a threat to the peace we seek, then do me a favor please and help the FBI handle this better than they did Waco.

The world must think nuts grow on trees here at this point along with "frootloops", and we don't need to feed the chipmunks LSD.

You don't want folks tripping out on this, in other words.

So put a stop to it. Now.

Please?

Thank you.

EJ

Aqeel
September 12, 2010

Aqeel writes:

@O.C,true O.C,it makes sense to me that two mafia's are fighting with each other but during this transition phase of globalization,clashes of civilizations,cultures,traditions,religions,faiths is occuring which is a complicated situation for our planet and its public.this must be resolved with intelligent approach and tolerance.when mulple forms of clashes occur,yes all Mafia's take advantage out of such situations.Sometimes,i dont understand that globalization in intigration,unity of people or further divisions.lets see how Obama fixes things despite of all challenges.

Aqeel
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Pakistan
September 12, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@Eric .Its a BBC news about burning of Koran on 9/11..i dont think so it should happen because it will further apart Moslims and cristians and fragmantise the world and people.Nothing could be fixed and obama's efforts to fix things will go astray.further its too cheap to insult each others faiths.Point to think is that why BBC is Publishing such type of news in medea..do they want moslims and Americans to enter into crossade type of war that can weaken both U.S & moslim world instead of being united and become bigger power.If America and Muslim world fight with each other,which country will grow and can become next super power or global leader?..Think-Think-Think..u ll get the answer.

OysterCracker
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United States
September 12, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
Why does Pakistan need the rest of the world to solve its problem? You have a nation of brilliant minds yet the Pakistani people allow such corruption to continue that is destroying their country. If Pakistani's could rally around a very strong, honest leader, you could solve all of your water, medical, educational and civic problems. You don't need the Mafia to control Pakistan, you need the clear and uncorruptible vision of the Pakistani people. There is no reason why a nation of intelligent people should put up with such low standards. We have different problems in the USA. Our nation is already built but it is declining for many of the same reasons. In America, we have an intelligence problem which is a harder thing to solve so you have an advantage over us in that regard.

OysterCracker
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United States
September 12, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
America's intelligence problem is related to vested interests because people are placed in positions of power and authority that shouldn't be there. For example, they are a friend of a friend, a capo in the same mafia. Rather than hiring the right person or most effective person for the right job, they hire the incompetent so the organization snowballs into redundancy, confusion and oblivion. It's definitely an intelligence problem.

OysterCracker
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United States
September 12, 2010

O.C. in the U.S.A. writes:

@Aqueel,
Hillary Clinton stated that there was a growing insurgency in Mexico. I would go one step further and state that there is a growing insurgency in America. When the government allows the destruction of its educational system, heath legal system,unbridled immigration it opens up and softens the country for insurgent and extremist ideologies. When citizens feel persecuted and see their rights being systematically destroyed, they start to consider other alternatives. In the governments desire to collapse the American economy in order to usher in a globalized world, they have laid the groundwork for a rising insurgency. Strong families,communities and eduction=strong nations otherwise its just a chaotic mumbo jumbo of stupidity and the American people feel it. Brazil and Mexico are at war. Where will this insurgency likely spread to?

AQEEL
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Pakistan
September 27, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@O.C ref :alpha1
Dear O.C,First I apologise for not being able to to your comments,Refeereing to ur first comment,why Pakistan need rest of the world to solve its problems?i would put it other way..i think rest of the world including Pakistan seek U.S support to solve and fix their problems one way or the other,leaving the exceptions behind.I think its a very positive sign when people from eastern europe,Moslim world,South east Asia,Southth(Pakistan) and many other moslim and other countries from different corners of the world started believing that U.S is a Global president and have positive sincere intentions to fix global problems.Somehow world has started to accept U.S as good global leader/President who have willingness for better world with peace,harmony,love,green,wisdom,vision,and reform of a comman man in many terms including education , health,justice etc.U.S itself is the biggest financial contributor to U.N for development of global public which reflects its ethical humane and desire to be a global king/president..Yes world too needs a good Global leader.If we lill back to recent history,there were 2 superpowers,USSR and USA and world was devided,some countries were USSR allies including china,india ,Iraq and some were allies of U.S.A like Pakistan,S.A ,Israel and many Moslim countries etc..Declaration of the New World Order,Starwars Programe led by U.S was the first step towards Unipolarization of the globe & all U.S allies supported the cause,Pakistan,As touching borders with Afganistan had to play front line role and the call for Jihad was given when many moslim countries joined in..even the subject of "Jihad" was placed in school carriculam books on recoomendation of a canadian comany,backed by U.S.World became Unipolar..U.S became single superpower of the world after joint efforts of its allies in breaking down USSR.But at that time ,nothing was planned to fight back the back fall of breaking down such a powerful superpower which led to formation of many strange forms of Mafias../continued

AQEEL
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Pakistan
September 27, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@ O.C Continued ref:alpha1
Neuclear,gurilla war and other leathal technologies were caught and purchased by many goverments.USSR scientist were hijacked or kidnapped,their warfare experts formed many mafias in the world,Pakistan ,being less advanced country became worst victim of terrorism,insurgency etc-U.S paid paign to give the taste of U.S own medicine was launched and process of changing mindsets of moslims and cristians was started to make them apart-theres strong possibility that 9/11 case may also have some link with revengeful strategic planning of KGB's and war planners..Inshort..moslim world,particularly pakistan and U.S.A became major sufferers because of 2 reasons..1.we did nt plan to combat the other forms of possible rebount from ex-superpoer and 2.U.S should have waited a bit more and strenthen its infrastructure in almost every term including intelligence/global intelligence system and economic areas before taking step to become a single super power and global president/king..so we are paying its price because there was no consolidated plan to combat the backfall of breaking down USSR and make Unipolar world.But now U.S trying to fix things.fine,its better to be late than never-I remember that the world was quite peaceful place during bipolar system except mild turbulances.Common man was not in as bad conditions and mafias were not dominating world the way they do now.Global economy declined,U.S tried to improve its economy by fighting couple of wars and then reconstruction of destructed countries like kuwaite reconstruction,iraq's Oil but wars are short term solutions which run parallell to longterm solutions which is happening now..pen is powerful than sowrd and you get what you negotiate,not what you deserve..I am Happy that President Obama/U.S policy is trying to fix things globally in smart peaceful manner.Now becoming precise to your comment,In Pakistan,literacy rate is too low,innocent and illiiterate public with lesser vision who are in majority is being foold around by feudal lords and corrupteted politicians who after coming in power loot the country ,their public misguide the world for extorting money in their very own interests.Yes Pakistan do have a lot of uncorrupted people with clear vision who wants many reforms.But corrupted politician,leaders seems to be attached to mafias or have their own mafia's which is very powerful and dont let uncorrupted people come up for the sake of their own interests,hunger and greed for money and power.If Pakistani public rally around all over the country for uncorrupted leader..theres every possibilty of bomb blast,snippers firing etc on the rally and general public.fear of death and killing have been induced in public minds by handful corrupted lords/leaders who have made the nation captive and on top of that entangling them into economic crises to keep them aloof from raising voice against them and work hard to earn a penny for milk of their kids so that they can never take a stand against corruption because of fear ,insecurity of their families and hunger.In such a jungle scenairio,obviously pulic will seek support from the global leader and time tested friend who have humane,whos stronger than the mafia which made the nation captive by playing with their emotions as pakistani public is not as literate and very emotional ,Victims of such a situation will naturally look for some support from global leaders country who have proven successfull system of justice,law,wisdom etc.Specially when theres some1 who can help fixing things and working for global causes and have vision that talks of public to public relationship that may help.World needs a real good global leader but if father fails,public ll have to find a mom.Global next generation must be saved-our planet must be a happy planet-how it can happen?obviously if we all globally unite and take every good cause as a mutual cause round the globe and thats the essence globalization.This was one reason why i wrote on linkedin about ONE WORLD,1 army,1 global nation,1 currency,common natural resources..it was nt a fiction thought that we all have to wait to be cohesive when UFO's attck us.UFO's can be from within too.Americal problem is not just America's problem(related to insurgency and intelligence),Pakistan's problem is not just Pakistan's Problem,Indian or Gaza,palestinan problems are not just their respective problems..they are common global problems that needs to be fixed by global mutual efforts with sincerity.Every individual,every country is somehow is related to each other.It has to be ONE WORLD and USism must be implied to every corner of world for it proved success.Clinton was so wise talking about no boundaries,no visa's and Hillary is too wise who's working for public to public relationship.
that ll definitely be helpful ,if not for us! may be for our next global generation if we dont accelerate our efforts.
DEVIDED,WE FALL.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
September 27, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Aqeel,

Your perspective is from your eye's view, as is your own experience and standpoint within your surroundings, environmentally politically, the whole of the human condition being incorperated into that perspective.

But did the US intend to be this so called "hyper-power" ?

I think what you'd find in the record is that we sort of filled a void after WW2 that would have most likely been filled by somethig far less democratic or peaceful.

We really didn't have a whole lot of choice in the matter because so many were looking to us after winning that war and liberrating nations to keep on keeping on being that beacon of hope to those still seeking freedom from fear, want,poverty and disease.

How could we say no when we had the means?

The need was great and folks stepped up to the plate.

Now everybody gets their turn at bat, and maybe if folks don't be swinging at wild pitches, humanity will score runs in the game of life.

Politicians can promis the moon, it's what they leave on the ground as legacy that will cause them to be cursed or praised by the people.

Inherantly because of the nature of our political system, most Americans can respect a man like Pervez Musharref for walking away from power and trying to help create a peaceful transition to democracy.

It's the attachment to power that messes with people, causes a lot of misery and all democracy really does is give the people not just the power of the vote, but the power to remove their leadership if they abuse it.

(we are still trying to perfect this system by the way)

Thing is America simply has no hegemonic ambition, we arn't attached to the notion of ruling the world. We defeat those who would try on the battlefield. Or by other means.

All we really ask is that folks try not to bring their problems to our door, and when they need our help, we do it for the people of a nation, not their government per se.

Even though we may have the best of relations with that government, that separation is why we don't war against peoples or religions either, but only against governments to deny them the ability to make war upon us, our allies, or their own people, or those of any other nation without just cause. We never intended to become a "world's policeman", that was by default since the alternative of global tyrany was unacceptable. We don't recognize any "Califate", or "sphere of influence". It's just another word for meglomania.

We've been fighting and dying to help Muslims gain freedom for over twenty years, and we have pretty good relations with all the Muslim nations and peoples of the world because we left a legacy on the ground that brooks no debate about that.

Oil keeps the wheels of civilization turning in every corner of the globe. America is not after people's oil, they own it./ What we do to preserve stability is assuring that it can get to market so the wheels of civilization don't grind to a halt. That's in everyone's interests.

I think if you consider this for a moment you may find a very profound truth about my nation's intent towards other nations, one you see as a change in policy , but in actuality has been there all along through multiple administratiuons and Presidents.

I believe also you will find a common thread in the development of democracy, is that it is usually born out of strife, weened on disilusion, taught by trial and error, blessed by adversity, and that corruption is like its adolesencent stage of uncertain pubescence. Leaving people about as uncertain of the future as a teenager on a first date.

( I don't know how well this aspect of American culture will translate into Muslim courtship customs among young men and women, but I'll leave that to interpretation)

When ethical infants are in charge, having fooled the people, promising the moon and delivering hell instead to the people, it is the people who learn to be ever vigilent in protecting their democracy.

Despite cultures, religions, languages, all the things that make a people unique and give them national identity, there are common predictable stages democracy goes through to adulthood, and America at the ripe old age of 230+ years is still learning new tricks to create a "more perfect union".

In one's lifetime, does anyone ever stop learning?

America is probably the most introverted nation on the planet, we are our own worst critics, because we demand so much of our government and we won't settle for less that maximum effort on the part of the elected to do right by us or be removed as unacceptable representation to our will.

The power of the people can be found in their diversity, and their dedication to being their own masters of their future.

These floods grant you the opportunity to build anew, the nation you want Pakistan to become.

It wasn't just because the need was great that I made donation, it was because I have faith that Pakistanis are up to the task.

Take care,

EJ

Aqeel
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Pakistan
October 3, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@Eric,
Dear Eric,
I dont disagree that every body's perspective including myself is from his/her eye's views,experiences,surroundings,political enviroment ,level of knowledge/research and many other factors which,I guess, is not out of normal.How ever level of knowledge and research cant be ruled out .We agree and disagree on same points/issues keeping the process of dialects(Agreement out of disagreement) to move on and on.Synthesis is achieved and then that synthesis again start working anti-thesis giving birth to thesis(Thesis=.anti thesis=>synthesis=anti-thesis) and this chain process goes on.
.Before WW2 world was peaceful enough & US initial prewar allies were only 3 countries including italy.US,the pro-peace country was forced to get involved in WW2 by japnese attack on Pearl Harbour inspite of US President final PEACE appeal to the Empire of Japan on Dec 6th'1941 to which was unaswered.Obviously U.S was left with no choice except to develop the war strategy against Nazism with the help of its 3 major WAR ALLIES,GB,USSR,France and U.S itself that led to liberation of victimised sufferring nations/ppl..I truly appereciate your thoght process when u say that how these suffering nations could be refused when u had means,an obvious reflection of humanity and pro-peace approach.So how I or anyone can US is hyper-power,obviously Not.US may not want to rule the world,but definitely world needs a good ethical humanist wise global leader,not a ruler in its real meaning.Would you disagree that theres a true good leasership gap on global scale?So why not to offer that leadership through grobal democratic system if you have means and believe in humanity?I dont say that US wana b policeman of the world for it gives little negetive impact on minds but yes world and particularly young teenaged juvennile delinquent countries need a seasoned mature parent with successful proven system of law ,justice,wisdom & balanced fear and hope inductions to b implied through right tools,machinery and effective mechanism,,even religion/faiths talks of hell and heaven as marketing planning teaches of fear of loss and achievement incentives/oppoptunities through challenges.

I am happy that many Americans respects Pervez Musharraf ,reason is that they are literate and when i use term "literate"i just dont mean formal academic education.Likewise,Huge number of pakistanis including myself not only respect our great leader and ex-presidend Musharraff but truly love him and wants him to govern Pakistan because they believe & Trust in his broad vision for the need of today & tomorrow,his sincererity to country and nation,his proven reforms ,peace,economic,welfare policies of a commoner. To me he has every thing even to be a top leader of not just Pakistan but whole Moslim world.The moment he left his seat by himself which hardly happens in countries like Pakistan,the country started falling down,nation got deprived and victimised and thrown into suffererings by feudal lords,caliphate believers and greedy politicians just for their own vested interests but it was important that should leave his seat at that time so that commomer who's starving in fear and insecurity now can feel the difference and realise what they had and did nt treassure.I personally believe in his broad vision and high degree of intellect and that s the reason why i joined his support group Pasdar-e-Pakiskan when came to know that its his political party via FB.

On your comment:( I don't know how well this aspect of American culture will translate into Muslim courtship customs among young men and women, but I'll leave that to interpretation),I think atleast dialects can be initiated on various virtual forums.
U.S and moslims have historic relationship,beyond doubts U.S have had always been supportive and Almost all moslmim countries are US allies.By now,i think long disputed palestine issue should be resolved but there seems to be need of induction of more willingness to resolve this problem on both ends and to my little understanding,i guess its on the second priority after climate change.But climate change will take long enough.Second one is kashmir issue that has to be resolved & it was so close to its settlement during Pervez Musharraff regime.Settlement of these 2 issues,reactivating and functionalizing of OIC under intelligent leadership sincere to cause can truly help.I think starting point can be coming back of ex-president Respected Pervez Musharraf into power in civil cloth now and also lead the OIC.Just imagine how much yield and productivity for "GOOD" can can be generated if largest and second largest nations get united.Its in the interest of our world,our planet,our next global generations.
Regards and take care.

Aqeel
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Pakistan
October 3, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@Eric

I appereciate your faith ,which is big word ,in pakistani's that they are upto the task but it is better if any grants made to the public must be through uncorrupted challnels or direct from public to public.
I offer my thanks to yo you and others who are blessed with the power to love humanity for making grants to flood victims.
regards & take care dear Eric

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 3, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Aqeel,

There's another way of looking at super-power status...as in whether you feed the world or not...and by that definition we are definately a hyper-power.

But that doesn't meen we'd be unwilling to help other nations become as powerful a force for humaniy's survival...it's in our own national interests...(chuckle).

Sort of takes the cold-war politics right out of the equasion, doesn't it?

And you wonder why I suggest world leaders get a grip?

It's just logical deduction.

There's a right way and a wrong way to excercise power. There are priorities and then there are priorities, and mostly folks have them all messed up and that's why human progress travels on the back of a snail in most cases.

It's time to change all that.

EJ

Aqeel
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Pakistan
October 7, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@Eric
I agree after going through wikipedea to find exact meaning and defination of the term"Hyper-Power" that made me to to understand and agree that yes U.S is Hyper-power,a step ahead of Superpower that have influence over other countries too.(A hyperpower is a state that dominates all other states in every sphere of activity. A hyperpower is traditionally considered to be one step higher than a Superpower-After the end of the Cold War, some political commentators felt that a new term was needed to describe the United States' position as the lone superpower. The term "hyper-power" was first used in 1991 by Peregrine Worsthorne. French Minister Hubert Vãdrine popularized the term "hyperpower" in 1998).
Your previous comments also made me go through a bit of U.S history and how did it was forced to get involved in WW2.Thanks for adding more to my knowledge :)
I think the top priority is to achieve Global PEACE through Peaceful ways/manner and not only just any country but each individual will be benefitted once global PEACE is fully achieved,economies and quality of life of people will obviously be improved and I personally appereciate U.S efforts/contribution to this global cause of Humanity.
I definitely say that global leaders MUST get good grip through right machinery,mechanism of people true and sincere to cause and their leadership.Selection of effective machinery,mechamism of right/sincere people/tools is important to get the task achieved.
World is kept on changing since it came into existence,Change and resistence towards change is natural phenomenon-Yes this is time to change it all but we cannot overlook the factor of Natural Resistence towards any change" and must have proactive approach to disfuse that natural reistence for the cause of "GOOD" i.e to bring back Peace and harmony in the interest of every single individual and our future generationss.The term"Hyper-power" automatically establishes the fact that U.S is Global leader in every term including vision,technology,wisdom,law etc.Being hyper-power,her positive domination and influence to bring global peace and bringing various nations,culutures closer through smart & peaceful ways will surely result in win/win outcome to every nation,country,individual.Our planet will become a good place for every life to live again.
Regards.

Aqeel
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Pakistan
October 7, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

A thought to share with ever one on this forum.

the thought just came in my mind that if the dot lying between "U"and "S"(U.S)is removed it will sound as "us"(US) that gives that gives the meaning of togetherness,oneness on country to country and individual to individual basis regardless of that who lives in which part of the Earth,regardless that who have which faith,colour,creed cast etc or other factors that devide us,we humans.

devided,we fall

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 7, 2010

Eric in New Mexico writes:

@Aqeel,

In a world that is driven by international concensus and cooperative venture to sustain what we humans call "civilization", I think it's safe to say that if you have a group of people lost in the woods, one among them either leads the way out or they remain lost.

So the word "dominate" in the definition of "hyperpower" you cited isn't exactly the opperative state of being of hyper-power status.

Folks have a choice to follow our lead in just about every circumstance or not, and they generally realize eventually that we arn't doing this from a standpoint of national ego or to dominate nations.

Far from it.

It's like this...Once when I was in New York visiting the city, I was waiting for the light to change on a very crowded sidewalk and got bumped by accident off into the street in front of an oncoming bus. Someone else grabbed me and yanked me back just before the bus would have hit and killed me.

The fellow who did wouldn't even let me by him lunch, nor accept my thanks.

He just said, "Welcome to New York."

You may take from this as in micro-cosim, for why my government does the things it does around the world to help people in need.

Because we can.

Ever since our founding we've been "walking point" for humanity on patrol into the future, inspiring revolution of mindsets, and physical revolution for the freedom of many, fought a civil war to create a more perfect union, and fought wars to protect the freedom of others.

Well, that's one way to win friends and influence people, and feeding the world happens to do both on an existential level that is far more subtle and pervasive.

You want to break down walls, you must use the proper tools. I mean you can chip away at it with a hammer, but we tend to simply use a buldozer in a lot of cases, because we can being there's one avalable.

Thus the docrrine of the use of overwhelming force to defeat those who call us "enemy" and pose the notion of war upon us as ideological imperative get a true taste of what we are capable of...just remember we are capable of doing much more damage in the blink of an eye than we have ever employed on any battlefield since the end of WW2.

We have been at war that was declared upon us for longer than we've ever fought one in our history. The American public is never keen on being at war, but it would be a mistake to think we'd just walk away without winning it, hands down.

Thing is, we haven't yet used all resources at our disposal to bring a halt to it, and the longer governments support those who oppose us, the greater the chance that we will remove those governments from power accordingly, using all the tools at our disposal.

The Pakistani government faces much more than drone strikes to contend with on their territory if they do not purge their ranks of those in the ISI who are arming and supporting the taliban.

The inevitable concequence of your government's failure to take action on this matter is a choice given them by my government that they may either stand united with us in the fight or get the hell out of the way and let us finish the job.

The last think they will want to wish upon themselves is to stand in our way and suffer the concequences of our wrath.

If your government wishes to take soverign pride of ownership in its own struggle to be democratic, then it has obligations to meet in the war on terror.

We cannot allow you to compromise that on the national level, because anything less represents an existential threat and puts the outcome of this struggle in some considerable doubt. Doubts you have spoken of where it concerns "corruption".

If your government remains divided as to its intent, then yes it will fall as a failed state.

But the bright silver lining in all of this is the people of Pakistan who recognise the danger they face. Not from the US, but from those who would make war upon us and your government and the people of Pakistan.

When the people rise up as they did in Swat, then humanity can indeed anticipate miracles for peace.

But your nation must decide whether you wish to own the peace or be possesed by war.

One creates their own reality.

EJ

Aqeel
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Pakistan
October 18, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@EJ
Revolution,to my understanding, means structural change in governance at all level,preferable start from grass-root level.When Goverments become too corrupt and common man's sufferings keep on increasing every minute,definitely we need to correct it by any means.Their are examples of colour,velvet,orage and budozer revolutions.In Pakistan,ex president Pervez Musharraf was working on such line to bring structural changes(Revolution) in peaceful manner by which general public would not suffer from bloody revolution.But corrupt civil goverment was imposed on the nation.Zardari could nt win elections which were was offerred to him as a cake in gold tray, if demised Benazir would nt be assasinated.(To me,it seems all tactfully planned)No body ever liked Zardari and during former tennure of late Benazir Bhtto,Zardari was famous among public as Mr.10 percent..so how logically it is possible that public would vote for him..may be that was emotional reaction of pakistani public to cast vote in his favour.There are rumours that he himself was involved in Benazir's assacination.
My concern is that if public finally stands up and make rallies,it cant be ruled out that there could be bomb blasts or snippers firing over innocent public which is already deprived and sufferer.Consequenly,theres a need for peaceful revolution ,not the bloody revolution.Like everyone,Pakistani nation too dont want any more sufferings but theres a wise leadership gap.Respected Pervez Musharraf resigned for peace,but now public realise the value of jwel.We want him back which is apparent & visible on his FB campaign.
As we all keep on learning as its endless process,we must have learnt to bring even better and more peaceful ways to bring revolution than those of velvet,color,orange etc.As you said,U.S doesnt fight and kill innocent public but make wars only against goverments to liberate victim nations,bring peace and improve quality of life of a commoner.Stratigically,Ex respected presidend Pervez Musharraf was also trying to bring bloodless revolution in the country by bringing structural changes in governance right from grass root level but feudal lords,mafias and other elements did not let him accomplish the task for their own interests but they do'nt know they could stop that tide of sophisticated bloodless revolution only temporarily.
Now coming to the point that you highlighted that ISI is supporting Talibans..This is though provoking statement in my mind.Why ISI should support Talibans?Do they have fears from U.S?or their mindset and thought process is altered after going through Afgan-Soviet war-Or they Get money...there must be reasons..so reasons should be identified and addressed else structural change in ISI should be brought ..but cores are the reasons..and those reasons must be eradicated .Even if their ranks are purged,still the reasons that change their mindsets or curruopt them must be abolished -Kerry lugar bill have been passed and accepted by this goverment then why its difficult for U.S to bring structural change in ISI too?We need peaceful solution to all this -nation need external help too..and you would agree that nothing is out of impossible..All what counts are intentions and motives,not tools
regards.

AQEEL
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Pakistan
October 15, 2010

Aqeel in Pakistan writes:

@ Eric,

Further,it is too important to send back Afgan refugees to their homeland.Most Afganis are mixed up with pushtoon are liviving in communities in urban cities.Most of them engaged in high crimes including drug,arm and women/girls trafficking.they are not only adding more currution to the country but have become internal threat to country/nation.Apparantly they are engaged in small roadside bisinesses but their roots are too strong even deep into goverment system idirectly-We must not forget that they are trained warriors who have gonne thru wars against USSR and are pro talibanization.This is one are which is important too to be addressed.

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