What Will It Take To Reach an Agreement Between the Israelis and Palestinians?

Posted by DipNote Bloggers
November 7, 2008
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Secretary Rice is in the Middle East from November 5 to 9. She will meet with Quartet counterparts and senior government officials to discuss negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians, as well as regional issues. She will address efforts to achieve peace in the region consistent with the Annapolis process and the shared-goal of a two-state solution. The Bush administration has said that an agreement before the end of the year is not likely. Previous U.S. administrations have also sought to broker an agreement.

In your opinion, what will it take to reach an agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians?

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Donald
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Virginia, USA
November 7, 2008

Donald in Virginia writes:

7 Nov 08

THE JEWS AND ARABS HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON!!!!

The reason why they are always in conflict is because neither side will put their differences to one side and stop being arragant to each other. I think its time for both the Jews and Arabs start growing up and stop fighting one another! God created men and women, not people who constantly want to destroy one another on earth!

I think both Jews and Arabs need to realize that war is not the answer. How much blood has been spilled in that part of the world and doesn't mean a thing. People have died. All the causes in the world won't change that simple fact that it's over nothing.

The Arabs need to learn and accept the Jews! They are here to stay! The Jews need to find ways of accepting the Arabs as part of their community. The violence needs to end.

The Jews nor the Arabs are the chosen ones by God. The fact is that God created everyone! Call him God, Jesus or Allah but fighting over a piece of land is not what God had it in mind.

Summary: I believe both sides need to start acting like adults instead of misguided kids. They need to find peaceful solutions not trying to throw rock fights and destroy one another! We all can live in peace with Maturity and Freedom without thinking that ONE is better than the OTHER because of a piece of land.

What both sides should do is sit down, bring food, bring wine, and celebrate "Peace" and shake hands." Forgive is a wonderful word. If both sides can forgive each other maybe they can end the turmoil and find that one hope, one peace that will last the test of time for its people! It's better laughing and celebrating than people trying to destroy life!

A-MEN!

Joe
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Tennessee, USA
November 7, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

When negotions cannot be reached by two people with a common goal; there is generally a third invlovement not at the table...

It is not in the common interest of too many Middle East countries for there to be peace...this includes the Saudi's. It is an oil rich territory both offshore and on land and is not being utilized due to the problems...this is a major factor...follow the money.

We need to look beyond the people at the table...and obviously the extreme groups need to be eliminated and not empowered.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
November 7, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

"What Will It Take To Reach an Agreement Between the Israelis and Palestinians?"

Implementing the concept of nation building.

Donald
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Virginia, USA
November 9, 2008

Donald in Virginia writes:

8 November 08

KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA

Often people remember this country being the "Bankers of the Middle East" The oil riched country with a Royal Family in charge. Thousands of Royal Princes live the good life in Arabia while the people itself do not. The country is divided into 5 major parts. Riyadh being the Capital city.

DOUBLE STANDARDS EXIST - Royal Family members can buy anything, do anything, and get away with just about anything in Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WOMEN RIGHTS - Not allowing women to drive motor vehicles in Kingdom. Not allowing women to vote in Kingdom. They must always be clothed so men cannot see the skin of women.

They actually have people in Kingdom that mark over the pages in magazines that show womens skin or faces. This is ridicious. Instead of changing the law and allowing for women to show some skin, they would rather spend time and money marking up all magazines, newspapers anything that would show the skin of a woman in public.

DISCRIMINATION AGAINST OTHER RELIGONS IN KINGDOM - Only allowing Islam to be permited and taught in Kingdom. If you had a bible they would put you in Jail for practising your Christian beliefs.

DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE - If your related or had ties to the Jews, or if your American Passport had shown a stamp with Isreal as a country you visited they would send you out of the Kingdom.

The United States has permitted the Saudis to build expensive mosques in our country. Try and build a Church in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, no doubt they would arrest you for this.

Why hasn't the Saudi Government offered a reward for Usama Bin laden? If the Saudis are so concern about the oil refineries in the KSA, the billions of dollar or riyals they continue to make from the oil, why havn't they been apart of finding the top terrorist? Because I think they know where he is today!

Summary: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia should consider changing its core values of Islam and allowing for "Freedom of Religon" for it's people and those who visit or work in that country. They should allow women the right to vote and the right to drive motor vehicles. They should not arrest people for practising or not practising religon. People should have a "Freedom of will" to visit a mosque or a church and pray or not pray. Dictatorship of a religon is what the Saudis use. Telling people they must pray, enforcing it with a law. You will pray or face the consequences. American business people have taken a blind eye to the way Saudis operate because they can make big money on buinesses in that Kingdom with the Royal Family. The Saudi Royal Family should put out a reward offering for the capture of Usama Bin Laden in the Kingdom. If they do not put out a reward for the capture of Usama Bin laden what does that really say about the Saudis? Like maybe they could be hiding him? The man was born in Riyadh, went to college in Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has ties in Jeddah and nobody questions that Usama Bin Laden is not in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? Well I question it because his family is there and the Bin Laden contruction company is there. I believe Usama Bin Laden has been living in Saudi Arabia. When you look at this logically, family, money, business, friends, everyone he encounters or done business with no doubt comes from KSA. It's about time our State Department wakes up along with other security agencies in the United States.

joe
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Tennessee, USA
November 9, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

The complete power structure of the Middle East is premised on oil. It the driving economic resource for everything, followed by narcotics.

The instability of Israel is paramount for control purposes by more than just the Saudi's as any peace accord will create two things:

Another nation that will be pumping oil: Palestine. Stability will give them time to build an infrastructure in the Gaza strip to start pumping their oil as well as offshore. Russia has been trying to purchase the oil rights offshore of the Gaza Strip for some time.

A strategic buffer land wise for Israel, thus lowering a jump off point for any military invasion by land and sea from Iran, Syria or any other foe with the accords that would follow such a peace agreement.

It is not always about just the countries concerned. Appeasement must be reached for all the impute functions and variables which will be altered by such an agreement.

Again, when negotiations cannot be reached by two people with a common goal; there is generally a third involvement not at the table...

Appeasement must be reached by all who will be affected by any change in power and that definitely includes the economic balance of oil production as well as who benefits from the rights.

Edie
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North Carolina, USA
November 9, 2008

Edie in North Carolina writes:

The steps needed to end this conflict have been on the books for years, it just takes the political will to do it. The U.S. has not been an honest peace broker in this conflict and acknowledgement that the conventional thinking and strategies used in the past aren't working so do we continue use them.

The conflict can be directly ties to a specific political event, not anti-semitism or an inherent 'hate' of the other. There are laws on the books governing this conflict that if applied would lead to justice for the Palestinians and security for the Israelis.

It doesn't take a genius to come up with the plan - it's there already. It just takes the political will to do it.

Sina
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Iran
November 9, 2008

Sina in Iran writes:

I believe that U.S must first handle Iran in order to reach an agreement between the Israilis and Palestinians.

Because as you know Iran support the terrorist groups in the middle east like Hamas and Hezbollah and Moqtada Sadr.

And until these groups make such a chaos in the region the dream of peace in the middle east will never come true.

John
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Greece
November 9, 2008

John in Greece writes:

@ Eric (NM), Joe (TN) and Donald (VA) -- I agree with all you three guys. The comparative reading of your posts proves what really the problem is with this "socio-economic-religious cocktail" in this hot area (Middle East in general).

However Donald, let me say that fanatic Muslims and especially "Ayatollahs", as Eric has so successfully described the term recently, are far more "aggressive" than Christians or Jews. They want to "guide us to their ONLY AND ONE paradise", while all the others are not attempting to do so, at least so obviously and "bloodstained". I do not disagree with your pure and inner concept though. I also wish that all these wonderful things you write could become real someday, but I think that we should better emphasize on what Eric and Joe suggest through their socio-economic in depth analysis, rather than hoping that religion perspectives can ever become one. And in this area of the planet, among others, here is the exact discussion point where the problem begins again like a debate domino -- and any solution becomes so difficult!

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
November 9, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

@ Sina in Iran -- I appreciate your remarks, and it is unfortunate that the government of Iran does not have you as its leader.

It may very well be that at some point in the future the US will be forced to step on the Grand Ayatollah's neck and get involved once again in regime replacement therapy.

But my humble suggestion is that you and the freedom loving people of Iran do this for yourselves, and in so doing, regain the pride in one's nation that has been lost through the actions of your government throughout the revolution.

This is not to say that you will stand alone in this effort as a people, but that that you must be the chief instigators of change within your nation. Freedom is not a gift of nations, nor imposed by war, but earned by average working people standing up for their natural rights to have a government worthy of the people's respect, one that can respect their will and desire to live in peace.

The Palestinians have an obligation to fight terror as much as any people or nation, and must reject those that would try to be dictating the terms of peace by supporting terrorism.

Much is asked of the US in this world, and much more will be. Let us not be asked to do more than what a people should be prepared to do for themselves to secure a peaceful and prosperous future.

Donald
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Virginia, USA
November 19, 2008

Donald in Virginia writes:

10 Nov 08

The Secretary of State and all those who make up the State Department of the United States does a wonderful job!

BRAVO ZULU!

@ John In Greece -- Religon is a key factor!

I would make the case that Usama Bin Laden is in Saudi Arabia because, "Usama bin laden has not been captured or killed in Afghanistan or Pakistan" Had he been killed or captured it would of been all over the news. He would of been a matar!

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has always sent money to Pakistan and Egypt, along with other Arab states in charity donations.

I think the United States should question the Saudis and get real answers. Would the Saudis LIE about having Usama Bin Laden? If he was the HERO of the Middle East and was trying to bring down the "eagle" west, they would probably treat him like a King. Think about it...The Saudis wanted to promote Islam and spread the word. Usama bin laden never once attacked an OIL Refinery in the Kingdom. Everytime there was an attack on one of our western compounds, the price of oil went UP not DOWN. Which means to me that the Saudis were behind the attacks. If everyone recalls back in the late 90's the Saudis were in the red when it came to money. They were late on paying for contracts. Once these wars started happening, suddenly they are blooming again.

The truth of the matter is that Usama Bin Laden needs to brought to Justice. Our Nations Security needs to challenge the Saudi King of Arabia along with his Princes and have them deliver Usama bin laden to the United States. I would bet that if the United States refused to buy the OIL in Arabia, the King of Arabia would find Usama Bin Laden real quick...Especially, he had something to lose in this process. How many of our people have perished because of Usama Bin Laden? Thousands....

The United States needs to stop tip toeing or walking on egg shells with the Saudi Government. Treat the Arab King Abdoulah with respect but also demand Usama Bin Laden.

Once United States realizes that Usama Bin Laden is in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia they know where to send the check... (chuckle) (chuckle) to my house!

The part that everyone forgets Usama bin laden has kids that more than likely live in all the Arab states. Which means this whole mess with Usama Bin Laden is far from being over with even when we get a new President of the United States.

God Bless and the day Usama Bin Laden is caught and brought to Justice is a "Great day for humanity"

Jonathan
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Texas, USA
November 10, 2008

Jonathan in Texas writes:

They have been fighting for too long about the same things so I see no closure. We can wish they set aside differences and "grow up" to meet and have a common ground but they wont. I hate to have this blog sound like an "all hope is lost" blog but it's true. The tension will never die down especially because land is involved. This fight will continue for more years to come.

How do you stop fighting when both sides will always feel the other is so wrong they wont stop until the other stops? Therefore, they both wont stop. The US can do all they can but someone will provoke the other into fighting again.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
November 11, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

"Implementing the concept of nation building"- A follow up:

I've provided herein the links to recent remarks by the parties as well as the Quartet statement as reference to what it will take to reach a comprehensive agreement.

They'll add context to my brief answer in my previous post and my thoughts in this one.

First off, any concept including the one President Bush presented in 2002 calling for two states "living side by side in peace and security" must pass three phases of acceptance.

First it must survive ridicule, then violent opposition to reach the third stage whereby it may be viewed as viable and desirable by a majority.

When it comes to roadblocks on the Roadmap, we have some known actors and "givens" including the above.
But I'd like to take a moment and address one that is lurking in the shadows and lies at the core of Israel's problems in implementing the steps outlined in the Roadmap, as reiterated by all parties attending the Annapolis conference to formalize the process.

The problem as I see it is not so much in Israel's willingness (or lack of) to implement those steps, but in its concept of fighting the war on terrorism in general.

They have rightly called America's war on terrorism their own as well, but our two nations have gone about fighting it in completely different ways.

The obvious is that some 55 million people on this planet no longer suffer under tyrany from radical regimes thanks to a US commitment to nation building, and are in a long difficult process of becoming all they can be as free societies as a result.

We've done the same in Palestine through supporting the building of institutions of governance that are essential to creating a viable Palestinian state, and the Palestinian Authority has responded with sincere effort to make the most of that opportunity.

But in observing the fact that Israel's "war on terrorism" has yet to liberate a single individual out of misery or poverty, and produces a distinct lack of hope on the part of populations in its methods of addressing violent extremism, I see a fundemental diference that can be measured in terms of the human condition as to how successful the stratgy and tactics have been compared to our's.

We build no walls in our fight against terror, we tear them down between peoples so they may learn to live together in peace. We build schools, hospitals, clinics, provide civil expertise, all sorts of assistance needed to stand a society realing from conflict on its feet again.

Israel has built a wall that keeps its own people imprisoned in fear behind, while convincing themselves they are keeping terrorists out. What the true result is manifests as a concrete reflection of Israel's failure to field a successful strategy for the transformation of mindsets. Including among its own people. That mindsets have changed to some extent has been through America's efforts and engagement, not Israeli policy.

This is a fundementally different approach than America has, and I think it's essentially in everyone's interests that we as a nation educate our friends in Israel as to what works and what doesn't over the long haul to revive a society that has become militant, polarized, and fixated in mindset that peace will never come.

Folks in Israel must come to the realization that a true commitment to nation building as a working strategy in fighting terror must replace the building of settlements that has only fueled the terrorist's agenda to begin with.

Come to the realization that the Palestinian people have been as much victimized by the terrorists among them as Israelis have been.

I can't emphasize enough how essential these realizations are to finding success in all aspects of their negotiations with the PA.

Then and only then will Israel see HAMAS truly and utterly marginalized once and for all as not representive of the Palestinian people's aspirations.

I hope folks hear me and hear me well on this, very loud and clearly.

There is no other way to realize a lasting peace.

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Links in reference:

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/11/111663.htm

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/11/111662.htm

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/11/111656.htm

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/11/111633.htm

Sarmoye B.
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Mali
November 11, 2008

Sarmoye in Mali writes:

God,Yahve or Allah is not a warrior but a peace maker. The generation of Israelis and Palestinians warriors is passed day after day. International Community has to developpe programs which the two people and its youthes are making together. Military collaboration and religions dialog. For the territory making for 10 years Jerusalem as free and universel territory under the control of United Nations. In those ten years making many meeting between the leaders of the two people in Jerusalem for making it a symbol of peace. Under the responsbility of Quartet and UN.

Susan
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Florida, USA
November 11, 2008

Susan in Florida writes:

@ Jonathan in Texas -- Your comments are true. Sadly, this conflict has been from generation to generation, for centuries. Perhaps a grassroot movement similiar to the movement in Northern Ireland, years ago, will be the only way. It must come from the people themselves.

Jas
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California, USA
November 11, 2008

Jas in California writes:

Great discussion going on here.

Some of the key issues that are hindering the ability for the Palestinians and Jewish to reach peace is "irredentism, clash of beliefs, and finally the propoganda of non-state actors (hamaas) and so forth."

Peace cannot be reached in the middle east so long as there is a continuance of violence amongst BOTH sides. With the Palestinians, we have Hamaas. With the Jewish, we have in large their own military, and some terrorist organizations. The Jewish have a government, the Palestinian need to first formulate a trustworthy, effective, and efficient government. The Jewish cannot make overtures with Palestinians so long as attacks continue to rock the Jewish state, and ofcourse, vice versa. Everytime talks are underway, Hezbollah or Hamaas attacks, the Jewish counter attack, civilians die, and as a result, the frustration continues to grow and grow and grow. Mean while, the talks break down.

A consensus neeeds to be built, that this is neither the Palestinians fault nor the Jewish. This dilemma has been caused entirely by the conflicting agreements that the British signed in the Balfour Declaration, Sykes-Picot agreement, and the McMahhon Hussein correspondence. The idea that im getting to here is "lets first come to an understanding." An understanding that although there are terror networks, that these terror networks do not act on behalf of the Palestinians or the Jewish. More often than not, I do not see the Palestinians denouncing the acts of terror against the Jewish state. Likewise, the attacks of the Jewish army onto the terrorists (which are ok) but which leave devastating effects of large civilian casualties.

How about this for a thought: set aside the terror networks, and the attacks, what if we begin with an alliance between the Jewish state and the Palestinians. An alliance that sets forth a working together against terrorists on both sides. And when a terrorist does strike, a trust that either government will react and react harshly against those suspects.

Trust is something that is seldom between these two sides. If anything, it is non-existant. Both sides wonder "will the other side honor the agreement?" Regardless of whether it involves the final step of land division, and a Palestinian state, or any other type of measure.

Another actor involved in this is Iran who "vows to wipe Israel off the map." Clearly that won't be happening. However, let the international community together react against Iran. Any unilateral movement will not work in anyones favor regardless of who it is.

This conflict is bread by hate. From generation to generation, kids are taught this hate towards the opposing side. If we examine the elements of what makes war, elements such as "cultural conditioning, nationalistic ethnic hatred, survival of the fittest," all stand out. Most importantly, cultural conditioning. So long as the two sides continue to "culturally condition" negative feelings, that much longer will the conflict last.

A start at this is trust and consensus beginning with the governments.

Moshe
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District Of Columbia, USA
November 11, 2008

Moshe in Washington, DC writes:

@ The State Department -- First off, thank you for opening up this discussion on such a pivotal issue in foreign policy making. There are indeed some great discussions going on below and I hope to add to them by bringing forth the issue of ally involvement to push towards a Final Status Agreement for the Palestinians and Israelis.

In a recent State Youtube blog call, I posed the question to Spokesperson Sean McCormack on why the United States is not utilizing our allies in the region to push forward a peace agreement with the Palestinians and Syria. Turkey and Saudia Arabia have both taken an active role in moving towards such a peace arrangement. Egypt has been largely responsible for mediating the cease-fire between Hamas and the Israelis in the Gaza Strip for the past six months (up until the events that have taken place over the past few weeks). So, recommendation number one, utilize existing interest to move towards a Final Status Agreement. Some of the most powerful actors in the region (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey) all are indicating a desire to see the conflict quiet, or so their actions tell us. Along with this idea, facilitate the recognition of Israel as a country by other actors in the Middle East. Israel, as one of our other bloggers noted, is not recognized by most countries in the Middle East. If one travels to Saudia Arabia after Israel, they will be denied access to the country because of a diplomatic stamp, this is unacceptable. International recognition is pivotal for empowering the Palestinians in recognizing Israel. Why would Palestinians do this if there neighbors, and sometimes relatives, do not.

This moves me towards my second recommendation - make incentives available for such recognition. For instance, the ability to utilize the Israel-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (FTA) to bolster start-up businesses across the Middle East and provide them access to the American marketplace. The current FTA only requires that products sent to the U.S. have to be made a certain percentage by Israel, this means that other manufacturing can be from new allies of Israel. FTAs should also be considered by other nations across the globe that have large marketplaces e.g., The European Union, Japan, and emerging East Asian markets. Imagine what an FTA could do to the Middle East that allowed businesses uninhibted access to the U.S., Europe, Russia, and Japan. This would immediately call for an increase in motivation and collaboration for establishing businesses and infrastructure for business, thus promoting entrepreneurship. The overall lesson here is involve other interested actors outside of the Middle East that have had a vested interest in the region. Tony Blair and Nicholas Sarkozy are good people to start with in Europe. Prime Minister Mevdev - even though he isn't the most appreciated person right now in U.S. foreign policy - can be approached from the Russian standpoint. In fact, one would argue that Russia's ties to Israel are better than that of the U.S. and Russia (e.g., Shimon Peres has direct meetings with Russia when relations get sticky such as, the Georgian crises). Thus, Russia could be a very powerful ally in promoting a Final Status Agreement with Israel. Then there is China and India. Two emerging global powers that could also benefit from enhanced relations in the Middle East and abroad. In essence, the possibilities are endless if only there is a global interest, motivation, and guaranteed economic backing for a Final Status Agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians. The U.S. and a Consortium of Middle East actors should be co-leads on this effort.

To recap, the first policy that is needed is recognition by Middle Eastern countries. The second is incentives for such recognition, and the third is involvement of global powers to make establishing a viable peace worthwhile. No longer will, or can, there be excuses for a prolonged escalation of tensions. We as a united world have the ability to collectively act to solve this longstanding conflict.

Ok, Mr. McCormack, please pass the message to Secretary Rice and let me know if you need any assistance doing this ;)

Brad B.
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Canada
November 12, 2008

Brad in Canada writes:

Understand history and recognize that the issue is between Israel and the Arabs as well as (somewhat) the entire Muslim world. The Arab League members that repeatedly attacked Israel have suffered no retribution or even blame.

Now for some ideas that have never been tried before.

Cut off all Palestinian (PA) funding unless they:
-- Immediately cease their anti Israel, Jew and Western propaganda in their schools, media and mosques.
-- Stop saying different things to their population in Arabic than they do in English
-- Stop accusing Israel of genocide at the U.N.
-- Stop giving half their money to Hamas
-- Update their websites to unambiguously accept that Israel is a Jewish State

Pass a Security Council resolution that expands Israel's borders by 10m for each terror attack visited on it.

Notify Egypt and Jordan that the Palestinians were originally their populations and they will be expected to be part of the solution.

Factor the Jewish refugees forced out of Muslim countries into any solution.

Force UNRWA to adopt the standard definition of "refugee" for Palestinians, not the exclusive one made up to ensure Israel has no peace.

Notify Europe that their opinions are invalid because they were prepared to allow Israel to be destroyed in 1973.

Announce that all Jerusalem is Israeli. Move the U.S. embassy there.

(Reasons: Jerusalem is undoubtedly THE Jewish city being mentioned 100s of times in their texts. It is not even in the Koran once. Jordan and the Palestinians desecrated ALL Jewish sites they could find between '48 and '67. Israel has conducted religious stewardship of this holy city equitably and even allowed the Jordanian Waqf to run al Aqsa despite the fact that they actually try to deny the Jewishness of the site and the city and continue desecration of Jewish relics under it. Palestinians have since 2000 desecrated Joseph's tomb and synagogues left behind in Gaza. Christians are being persecuted throughout the Palestinian territories and the rest of the Middle East. We must make a stand for Christians and religious tolerance in general.)

The problem exists because the West accepted unreasonable behavior from the Arab League. If their dream of Israel disappearing is realized, the unreasonableness will grow.

Stan
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West Virginia, USA
November 13, 2008

Stan in West Virginia writes:

First, the "refugee" problem must be addressed in a rational manner. The notion that someone is considered a refugee because a grandparent or great grandparent lost his home in a war in unique in all the world.

The "refugees" need to be assimilated into the countries where they were born, or the countries where they live. No peace agreement for a two state solution can survive when a million or more homeless, jobless people will be expected to immigrate to the West Bank or Gaza.

There is no economic incentive for the Palestinians to make peace. Peace will bring about the end of the huge money flow from the rest of the world.

A way must be found to build the West Bank economy to self sufficiency, and the cycle of charity and begging must end.
Signing a peace agreement is of no use until the above mentioned issues are dealt with. The issue of Hamas, might have to be dealt with militarily.

James
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District Of Columbia, USA
November 13, 2008

James in Washington writes:

Simple, end the destructive force of Zionism. Ending Zionism will end all the destruction Israel has wrought on the lives of civilians throughout the region. Yes, the number of Arab civilans killed by Israel far far outweight the reverse.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
November 13, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

@ James in Washington -- "-ism" skism....

The problem with labels is that they only lend conflicting interpretations to an already dysfunctional mindset of "us and them".

Whereas the children of Abraham are 99.99999999999999998% geneticly the same. So get over it.

Bianca
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Georgia, USA
November 13, 2008

Bianca in Georgia writes:

We have to face the fact that a two-state solution as proposed under Oslo is not workable. The West Bank and Gaza have to be territorially united and economically viable. The only thing that Israel is heading towards now is the 'elephant in the room': a one-state solution in which Jews are a minority population. Until we recognize that Palestinians have to be dealt a fair hand and negotiate in good faith, nothing will happen. The more marginalized Palestinians are, the less they have to lose. Therefore, all this talk about ending 'terrorism' is all stick and no carrot.

Jas
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California, USA
November 14, 2008

Jas in California writes:

This is a great discussion.

I agree with a lot of the points being brought up. I to have thought about the idea of what would happen if trade oginizations were to be established in the Middle East.

In creating peace, both sides need to work against terrorism. If the Palestinians do not verbally denounce Hamaas and other terrorist groups, then I argue that we ought not to support them having a state. The world need not have another state supporting terrorism.

Leading up to a two state deal, some pre-conditions need to be set. Palestinians need to go after terrorists immediatly. They must continue to track down and go after these terrorists. They must also utilize the media and re-condition its peoples in denouncing this hate, and promoting peace and security. Take the control out of the hands of the terrorists. If the Palestinians can do this much as a start, I feel it would be a significant step towards peace.

Jewish government and citizens will recognize this effort, and ultimatly, tensions will drop.

The roll of the superpowers is immense. The United States and the international community together, need to offer resources for the governments that cooperate. If the Palestinians denounce Hamaas, and are working to take them down, then the international community ought to help the Palestinian government. The extermination of one nations terrorist is not just an extermination for that nation alone, it to is an extermination for the world.

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