Does Less Attention by the Public and Media Have an Effect on the Foreign Policy Agenda?

Posted by DipNote Bloggers
September 26, 2008
News Ticker Times Square New York

With the U.S. economy taking center stage, foreign policy issues have fallen from the headlines.

Does less attention by the public and media have an effect on the foreign policy agenda?

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Syrian P.
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Syria
September 26, 2008

SNP in Syria writes:

No, not on U.S. public. They are too busy to care. Otherwise, the U.S. would not be heading to foreclosure by the Chinese and Arabs. It could be advantageous if you want to pass some measures or implement a policy decision that is not popular this is the perfect time to do it.

joe
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Tennessee, USA
September 27, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

I believe it is best said via an interview last night with Bill Mathers on PBS: Bill Moyers Journal. Watch an interview with former US Army Colonel Andrew J. Bacevich about his latest book, The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

America needs to take care of America FIRST. ..Hey, that is what Representation means -- and Eric, a person starving could care less where his meal and next meal comes from -- ( I did try to respond to your request. Simply tell your man OWL missions)

Unfortunately, we are too departmentalized to do that...LOL! Why not Nationalize or simply claim Chapter 11, 13, 23, whatever -- LOL? just default and start over, after all, we are America and have Gods Trust right? Sad is it not.

Like showing how much some of the Masters of American Finance lost. What they forgot to tell you is that as long as five years ago and not less than two, they all took about 30% of their monies and invested in Russia, China, etc...And made over 100% profits in many cases, they lost nothing. Americans will sooner or later be tired of being sheep and look out for themselves; they all knew this would happen. They hedged thier money elsewhere and are buying back at pennies on a dollar. What a joke, like rapping the American public twice...and to add to it the govt. printing money it cannot back up causing both ends of the candle finally hit and have little leverage to press charges againist them. If charged of Fraud, it would not surprize me if they counter sued the Federal Govt. for the same thing. Why not, we have been printing worthless money for over a decade...were they waiting for God to put his magic hands on it and mutilply it or what? NO ONE who created these problems is suffering..it that what America Represents? Steal large enough from your citizens and it all is fine.

It will affect interaction in the long haul; but, only in a more developmental manner with better exchange for all parties and governmental restrictions on trade for greed first and countries betterment second.

Somehow too many people forgot they could not profit were they not American Companies first and foremost. If they could run with their ball somewhere else and get away with it they would, in Russia, Putin would have put them away forever in China, kill them, as they most recently have with one proposed entrepreneur. In much of Europe, if you lose your business and go bankrupt, you will not get a second chance. Only in America could this even take place, the largest Robbery in the history of the Free World and that is exactly what it is...

This alone provides communism or any anti democratic ideology quite a propaganda platform. THIS DOES change our associations on developing nations. They may take our help initially, but if we set the example: would you want that in your country for your people? Is that what we represent?

I am sure it has already hurt us internationally, regardless of how we put a band aid on it.

Less, no, just alter the preception of the US in General, its word and integrety; thus affording the other side a step up...maybe three.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
September 27, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Fortunately Joe, the homeless have resources to go to in their communities to get food and shelter in America. Been there, done that myself.

I agree that this domestic problem needs to be adequately addressed in a serious way, but not at the expense of cutting off one leg of the three pronged approach to defeating terrorism. Which foreign assistance does to aleviate the hopelessness that terrorist recruitment thrives upon.

No candidate for President has suggested that foreign assistance should be curtailed, for this very reason.

joe
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Tennessee, USA
September 28, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

Here is how it hurt along with propoganda to go with it:

26 September 2008
MANAGUA, Nicaragua -- Russia's ambassador to Managua said his country will replace the Nicaraguan army's aging weaponry.

Russian Ambassador Igor Kondrashev said there are no plans, however, to expand the Central American country's military arsenal.

Chavez Arrives to $1Bln Welcome

By Nikolaus von Twickel / Staff Writer
The Kremlin had a warm welcome waiting for Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Thursday, in the form of a $1 billion loan for arms purchases for the Latin American leader who has been fiercely critical of the United States and its leaders.

Prague Says Moscow Sent Spies
The Associated Press
Russian spies operating in the Czech Republic have tried to increase public opposition to a planned U.S. missile-defense facility here, the Czech counterintelligence service said Thursday.

Putin Calls for Open S. Ossetia Border
Combined Reports
Prime Minister Vladimir Putin called for an open border with Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia on Thursday, Interfax reported.

Economic Aide Sees Russia At the Top
By Jessica Bachman / Special to The Moscow Times
Russia could emerge as a global economic leader in a new financial era that might follow the current liquidity crisis and banking-sector turmoil, top Kremlin economic aide Arkady Dvorkovich said Thursday.

Russian Oil Reserve Could Affect Prices
By Anatoly Medetsky / Staff Writer
Energy Minister Sergei Shmatko says Russia will work to influence global oil prices, perhaps through keeping fields in reserve.

Iran Talks Scrapped After Russia Pulls Out
25 September, 2008
By Oleg Schedrov and Sue Pleming
Reuters
Foreign ministers from major powers have canceled a meeting in New York to discuss more sanctions against Iran after Moscow opposed the move..

This week:
Our Ambasidors were kicked out of VZ....North Korea kicked out the UN .... WHY? WE HAVE LITTLE OR NO ECONOMIC LEVERAGE and military use is improbable..where does it leave us? In Gods Trust?

It is effecting us as the minuites go by...and not well.

Without a bullet being fired...we are being devistated, internally and externally. We need to fix what we can control..not what we cannot.

Its about priorities as well...Guess old Nikita Khrushchev is laughing in his gave Eric...from hell maybe, but laughing. He won, Putin won, which is why Gorby had to step down....difference between tatics and a stratagy I guess...10-40 year plans...vs a four year term and perpetual Congressional infighting and greed.

It has hurt us...but, we will be stronger if we put our Nation back together knowing these pitfalls and set Laws to circumvent this problem and put those who defrauded an entire Nation in prison. Why should they walk?

Joe
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Tennessee, USA
September 27, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

Not to beat a horse to death, but just in:

Issue of the Day
German leader warns U.S. superpower era is over

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 (UPI) --
German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck has proclaimed the Writing on the Wall for the United States: America's days as an economic superpower are over, he said Thursday.

Truth is in the pudding....you buried me and the reports.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
September 28, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

@ Joe, (chuckle)...If you wish to take one man's opinion over millions of Americans' , go right ahead.

I'm not throwing in the towel yet, thanks.

I don't predict the future economicly, but considering the nations we've helped lift up out of the rubble of war, famine, natural disaster, economic stagnation and general malaise, I'd say it would be more correct to call the US an Essential Superpower for a long time to come.

As goes America, so goes the world economicly. It's not really in anyone's interest to threaten or try to weaken the US, unless of course they simply want the world to be a fairly miserable place to raise children.

Germany's Finance Minister might ponder this some before he plays a very small minded violin at our "funeral" ever again in the future.

Besides, when folks finally manage to get to the root of a problem, we generally overcome it.

Kirk
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Kentucky, USA
September 30, 2008

Kirk in Kentucky writes:

Read this powerful speech by Jimmy Carter and see how it relates to the ills of today.

http://www.rightwingnews.com/speeches/carter.php

* Note his vision and optimism about how 20% of our national energy will come from the Sun by the year 2000. Imagine how powerful we would be now if we had united our effort towards that goal then. Perhaps this should be a lesson for us to get started today?

Justin
September 28, 2008

Justin writes:

Perhaps. Look at the U.S./Pakistan firefight. Without Wall Street, it would have been much bigger news and the administration would have reacted differently. But this is just one example and does not speak for all. Thus, perhaps.

John
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Greece
September 30, 2008

John in Greece writes:

U.S. economy still makes the world go around! And it will continue to do so for a long time to come!

Please, can somebody inform Germany's Finance Minister that this very moment we talk, 80% OF THE GLOBAL MONEY BEING DISTRIBUTED WORLDWIDE IS "U.S.A. OWNED" MONEY. (especially if you count the High-tech & science "reserves" -- this is something to be analyzed another day). I would expect that a Minister coming from a country with no history at all -- "not to mention the thriller moments of bad history they created" -- ought to be more aware of -- at least -- the "future".

With all the respect for his position, I'd suggest the German Minister to reconsider just 2 or 3 clues in order to return to thinking sobriety:

1. After WW2 the only country that helped them stand up again as a nation is the U.S. of AMERICA (USA bravery!).
2. For more than 50 years, 2/3 of the German economy is based on American capitals.
3. The recent 20 years, due to bad internal policy, Germany destroyed its economy.

What do Germans want now? Blame it on America? Are they working on new alliances with people they used to fight during WW2? Maybe Russia? Others too?

Thank God, G.W. Bush, once again, offered the solution -- to a problem he did not created -- for the recent GLOBAL financial crisis. Otherwise, the crisis would hit all the West. Actually, but mysteriously, some people act like they do not mean to understand that economy now days is fully globalized. A huge economic problem in the U.S. can also destroy economies in Germany, France, England, Greece, Turkey, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, RUSSIA, and the list goes.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
September 29, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

If Russia wants to appease the ego of leftist leadership in Latin America with obsolete naval presence and arms, then it falls on them should the little Frankenstiens they create in the proces bite the hand that feeds them or eventuallly become a threat to nations in the region.

All in all I would call it an unwise investment on their part, with questionable returns.

And I just don't think the Russian gov wants a confrontation with the US over it. Now or in the future.

Right at this moment US and Russian warships are acting in close coordination off Somalia's coast in joint effort to end the piracy of a Ukranian vessel that has some 30 Russian tanks and small arms that were originally intended for the Kenyan government.

So my thinking is a little different on their cosyness with Hugo Chavez and others.

"keep your enemies close" would make sense, especially when America has a partner in Russia that can do so for us.

Joe, you might think that my logic's a little twisted, but it's the only reason your seeing US reaction as "inadequate".

Russians are going to give Hugo such a fat head that he'll make a fatal mistake.

Wait for it. It's looking like the perfect "good cop, bad cop" routine to me.

Andreas
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Norway
September 30, 2008

Andreas in Norway writes:

I'm sure it'll be back on topic once the economy settles.

Joe
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Tennessee, USA
September 30, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

It is not just Germany, Eric...even the Canadian Agriculture Minister did not respond to a call by our President a few years ago. Are you just catching up with the world news? We are only responded to because we have become the worlds co-dependent mother...as long as we are giving something...no more, no less and that has gone on for some time...It has come to our Diplomats forcing meetings in reality. They are not asked anymore. We run over to save face. Ever read news outside the US? We send a big gun so it appears we are in control, but we are not anymore.

One: Eric...again, why personalize? Some psychological stresses factor you trying to instill to test response mechanisms? ...Chuckle -- is an indirect agitator to incite.

One mans opinion? Read outside the US -- it has been going on for some time -- in many ways.

1. 12 Years ago it was Putin who went to Venezuela to set this piece on the board. They are a Russian puppet.

2. 12 Years ago Putin went to North Korea, to set this piece on the board. They are a Russian puppet. Syria the same...and on.

3. Then came the energy take over...the newspapers, the steel, the Aluminum and so forth.

4. About Eight years ago, Putin stated his military hardware sales...India-with four subs, moving to SU-30s, Syria, etc....even Israel purchased their missile defense system, I presume to see what Iran purchased to guard the valley?

5. You are late on your news about the ship. It was offloaded elsewhere and trucked to delivery... that is months late. They still got the weapons? Chest pounding, big deal, it was only mutual because the Russians only threat to world domination is China. If they could have sold the weapons they would have. When was the last time we stopped a Russian shipment to Nigeria, Syria, Iran, N. Korea, and Venezuela and on and on -- even Bolivia now. Get real?

I can go on and on...
...maybe NM is in some mystic state, if that is where your located...I know you are not in White Sands.

By all standards that Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev meant, he won! That opinion is what concerns me.

1. The Banking situation alone: It exposes the lack of oversight and actual concern for the average citizen in America, thus supporting the Imperialistic propaganda used by the Communist at the time. Time and Place Eric, premise of time and place to what was stated.

2. Consumerism by the Average American which supports the Greed of individuals over the welfare of the State and gives control to the rich has happened. He was right and won on that point.

Along with the external pressures economically by China and Russia (purchasing oil with the Euro dollar), their present economic trade associations, their energy leverages, their military hardware contracts, nuclear contracts, their natural resources: Gold, Platinum, Ore... Gosh man, they are even outsourcing their military contracts, stockpiling Platinum, and all indications are that Putin will take over the banks next. Starting with the smaller ones and working up! Watch.

What the heck have we been doing Eric? Let us fix the ship AFTER IT STARTS SINKING? Get real; they won this war delegated on the old Communistic views of Khrushchev: We were destroyed from within....that's all I'm saying. Where am I wrong? Long term, Russians think in long scales -- and long range plans -- ten years was the think tank programs of the 60-70-80s, ten years. WE cannot see a National Problem years after Americans were on the streets? The privileged obviously are far and apart from the people they represent -- and for how long? The markets correct themselves? HOW? What is the valuation of what actually exist? Democracy is in jeopardy worldwide and we are responsible for it. You think these countries feel the same today about America as they did a few years ago?

You fail to note I stated we will be stronger in the end, but that old American Manufacturing ideology applied to our leadership...IF IT WORKS DO NOT FIX IT UNTIL IT IS BROKEN... has maimed and even killed both our jobs and our economic base. We were broken four years ago, broke two years ago and now want to fix it?

Oversight Eric...it is about oversight, not privilege and that is what the world sees.

Khrushchev used to say: In America you are sheep, the privileged let you think you are the privileged, when that is a complete reversal of what the concept of Representation is... He was talking about the hypocrisy he felt we represented in administration of rights...and the facts today support He was right -- we are sheep, well fed sheep who have run out of pasture. Think we are not losing ground? Why not take a ride to White Sands Eric...I have been there. More than once.

joe
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Tennessee, USA
September 30, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

John in Greece writes: Quote: U.S. economy still makes the world go around! And it will continue to do so for a long time to come! End Quote.

Who says you have to buy anything at all with non reserved money? Monies which cannot be backed by goods or services nor held enough in reserve to make any promissory note valid? China can cash in and go Euro or whatever they want -- even dump the US money for points on the dollar to devalue us even more Russia purchased oil with the Euro for three hours and cost us that much in billions...

Why do you think the world HAS TO HONOR THE US DOLLAR? Why? -- owing Trillions is not like having trillions -- why try to overcomplicate something which is simplistic in actuality.

South America has formed its own Bank with Nine Nations to keep solvency and separate from the World Bank control....What dimension are you all living in? Gods trust is only going so far? I told you to watch did I not? -- and it is not over yet, not by a long shot.

This is like the fight you try to avoid and not want to acknowledge because you screwed up and are playing catch up ball without a bench to work with. No one is saying throw in the towel, but we cannot even fix ourselves right now. How is that a World Power? America and democracy was not supposed to about Military Might only.

Eric: Since you are in NM Eric, what is our next move? Thomas is gone and you certainly cannot fill his shoes, not by a long shot...nor anyone on this board...not even Gates....why: Formatting, psychological formatting....we are predictable because we pound the set of values with education. Tell a Russian where you went to school, where you grew up, what religion you were and are, your job history and he will tell you what you are going to eat from a menu...before you order. They can even honeypot you in advance and sledom miss or missed in the past.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THINK TANKS THEY HAVE? Gosh people, they even format our habits within each branch of government right on down to the bureaus within each branch by state....what have we been doing? What do we know? Numbers about trade that are how old? We always know so much about money...Right, we really have proved that one.

People, it is about people. What are we waiting for, a bluebird to sing in our ear? Ask your Col about these remarks...

I told you, I am back...

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 1, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Mmm, "what to do next?" you ask...

In a healthy economy, solvency and insolvency are inherently management issues, and I guess Congress held up that principal by refusing to bail them out of the mess bad management made, regardless if it creates a vast readjustment period on the financial sector.

Normally an insolvent company's bad debt will be bought up along with holdings by an interested investor corporation. When a number of large firms become insolvent at once, it becomes difficult to find large enough investors to keep them afloat. Thus the call for the government to step in because many citizens are affected by the insecurity created. Jobs at risk, etc.

Perhaps Congress has been going about things backwards, though I can understand their thinking on corporate bailout pro and con.

If you want to directly help the economy, and the most vulnerable of citizens then Congress should go well beyond what Fannie May is doing by offering homeowners the chance to restructure their motgage till the end of the year.

I'd say if Congress were to fund HUD to the point where you could take all the folks on federal housing programs and turn them into homeowners, via a 3% fixed 30 year note without precondition and help them resolve any existing debt by restructuring it into the 30 year note, then you create an exit option from federal housing to homeownership, where the homeless and internally displaced can pick themselves up in a reasonable amount of time.

12,000 dollars per year per individual working adult in the household is the limit for qualification in New Mexico, and it may vary state to state as cost of living varies.

Now 700 billion would go one heck of a long way to pulling up those in our societies that would otherwise not have a rope to hang onto in bad times.

Lets get the government to challenge the lending institutions to clean their own house and stabilize the marketplace. We can always regulate them to heck if they don't comply.

And in the future, any CEO or board member letting their company go to ruin through mismanagement by law should be stripped of pension, asset, any net worth....and start from scatch, with the personal proceeds sold at auction by the government to help fund the program described above.

They of course may apply for the section eight housing program like anyone else in the incolme bracket described.

Now that might be just the incentive needed, without the need to "regulate" beyond the dire concequence of failure.

A healthy economy is really all about motivating people.

Just have to push the right buttons, and for the right reasons.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 1, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

On another note Joe, I'd gladly offer a Russian the grean chili combination burrito I made tonight, just to watch him sweat as heat of the chili took hold of him.

But then historicly Russians have been coming to my neck of the woods a long time, and they just don't appreciate what alcohol does to someone at 7000 + feet in elevation.

And they talk too much when suffering from the effects of a margarita the size of a honeypot.

...(chuckle)...

Besides, if they are so interested in the American way of life, it's bound to rub off.

Cause and effect at the sociological level.

The Colonel is awaiting the finch of no complaints, by the way.

Speaking of "Gates"....

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR200809...

"Gates predicted that in coming years the main threat faced by the U.S. military overseas will be a complex hybrid of conventional and unconverntional conflicts, waged by "militias, insurgent groups, other non-state actors and Third World militaries.""However," he said, "apart from the Special Forces community and some dissident colonels, for decades there has been no strong, deeply rooted constituency inside the Pentagon . . . for institutionalizing our capabilities to wage . . . irregular conflict."

---end excerpt---

I guess posting MOS is "verbotten" on Dipnote, but this ought to give you a fair idea who wanted to know if you were legit, or were tossing up an opp designation from a dime store spy novel you read someplace.

And he left pretty sceptical about it, but I take you on your say so that you tried to entertain his request.

In any case, you're asking me what to do next, and I've already had my brains picked clean over the week...and I'm still digesting some of the things I've learned during his visit.

Exactly how many think tanks do you think we have in the US Joe?

Officially that is.....

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 1, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

@ Joe , you ask "Where am I wrong?" and you accuse me of "personalizing" this discussion?

Oh well, so be it.

First , You have a tendancy to only accept a fact as valid so long as it fits with your narrow cause and effect theory about how US /Russian relations are in actuality.

As a member of the proliferation security initiatve, Russia has parnered with the US (Bush's idea to begin with) along with about 90 nations now to interdict WMD.

I see you found that fatal point I was talking about, see the Venezualan people don't need no Russian "puppet" governing them. Just be patient and wait for it.

Now you see only ulterior motive from Russia, when their national interest is much broader than the limited scope your argument represents.

They have global interests in common with the US, more than they differ in the realm of economic, develomental and security matters.

Lavrov's speech at the UN was intersting, to say the least. And if you gonna play "good cop, bad cop" on the world stage, gotta keep up apperances....(chuckle).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySWoSklsCI4

It would seem both nations want this to be a better world to raise children in, but differ on the approach toward making it a reality.

And therein lies our leverage. Our interests are their's as well.

So don't be having nightmares about the big bad bear coming out of the woods to get ya, bro. You think they're "steppin out" for a fight when they're in a tango with us. Little different attitude involved than you think.

Shaky economy? This is only temporary. It will readjust.

I think you are over reacting to the point of hysteria.

And the last thing this nation needs to do is over react.

Susan
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Florida, USA
October 1, 2008

Susan in Florida writes:

Here is a thought -- two words... "perception management". The idea of managing the public's thoughts and reactions may have originally started on Madison Avenue with the advertising industry but it has surely spread to all aspects of our lives. We need to be discerning and not believe everything that we read, see, or, hear. Please tell me that "brave new world" is not here. That would be very scary.

John
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Greece
October 1, 2008

John in Greece writes:

@ Eric in New Mexico

Great dish Eric. Too hot and spicy for "bears", I guess! I did not know that bears like green chili combination burrito. (chuckle)

I would like to underline a vital phrase of yours, concerning all this very interesting dialogue between you and Joe.

"A HEALTHY ECONOMY IS REALLY ALL ABOUT MOTIVATING PEOPLE."

I believe that this is the first and most powerful principle of capitalism. This is what electrify us to create for our children. It's this principle -- among many others -- that make us better than communists!

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 2, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

(chuckle) Susan, all I can say is that you greet a new world every day when you wake up (it is your's to make after all, whichever side of the bed you roll out of) and you must approach your day with a certain amount of bravery, else it is more profitable to stay in bed and "forgetaboutit!"....

So I can't tell you that this isn't a brave new world, it's just not the one George Orwell envisioned....(grin).

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@ John in Greece,

(LOL!)

Russian spies have been coming to New Mexico since they were tipped off that we were working on the atom bomb in WW2....and despite any and all prepatory education they may have gotten to blend in....we have our unique ways to spot them out of the million or so tourists that visit each year...let me just leave it at that.

It is odd that some folks think I live out in the sticks someplace far removed from reality, political or otherwise. Fact is it has been said that if California ever suceeded from the USA, that it would be the 7th greatest nuclear power on Earth. New Mexico if it were to do so, having the only true in-house A-bomb making capability in the US, well...I'll just leave it to speculation where we would stand at that point.

My state has been among the top 5 nuclear targets in the US since the cold war began, and is a certain target of terrorism today. No question about it, we have what they most want to get their hands on.

I've met refugees from all over the world here, and with three long standing cultures interacting in peace for over 200 hundred years or more, this would be a good place to hold an international human rights conference. It would lend example of what is possible by the demonstratable coexistance we've incorperated into daily life.

You want to talk international nuclear disarmament, you've come to the right place where it all began. I guess it'd be only proper to extend an invitation to any concerned head of state to come visit, I'll give them a personal guided tour of the history.

And if they don't leave with more common sense than they came with, then they either had no sense to begin with, or there's a perfect void where the grey matter should be.

This New Mexican does know what's up:

"Today there is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence. I feel that we've got to look at this total thing anew and recognize that we must live together. That the whole world now it is one--not only geographically but it has to become one in terms of brotherly concern. Whether we live in America or Asia or Africa we are all tied in a single garment of destiny and whatever effects one directly, effects one in-directly.

"I'm concerned about living with my conscience and searching for that which is right and that which is true, and I cannot live with the idea of being just a conformist following a path that everybody else follows. And this has happened to us. As I've said in one of my books, so often we live by the philosophy 'Everybody's doing it, it must be alright.' We tend to determine what is right and wrong by taking a sort of Gallup poll of the majority opinion, and I don't think this is the way to get at what is right.

"Arnold Toynbee talks about the creative minority and I think more and more we must have in our world that creative minority that will take a stand for that which conscience tells them is right, even though it brings about criticism and misunderstanding and even abuse."

Excerpted from a 1967 interview of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. by Arnold Michaelis.

Susan
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Florida, USA
October 2, 2008

Susan in Florida writes:

@ Eric in New Mexico

Hi Eric -- appreciate your thoughts. I guess I would say that I am an optimistic realist. My point was that too often we accept things at face value. We should, I think, step back and take a closer look, think for ourselves, and trust our own conclusions more. I hope that we have not become a nation of non-thinkers. We must not be too complacent or too naive or just too easily lead, not to ask questions.

JOE
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Tennessee, USA
October 2, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

Fact and valid information lead to decisions, not personalization Eric. Glorification, edification and if your past is as you say, is only due to your psychological makeup, which should not impact decisions. We are all suffering now from this view taken by our Leadership. Americans were living in the street. And Losing their jobs in vast numbers four years ago, where were they? Do they suffer for bad decisions and lack of stewardship? Let us start with the first thing: Russian movements.

Wrong:
1. It is a Russian Captain who was killed. It is their cargo and no differently then us, they have a right to be there. They are not there for co-operation with the US and the pirates will surely be terminated, regardless or outcome to the general public.

2. The tanks, 33 were for delivery in the Sudan. The African Shipment of small weapons to Africa months ago was stopped by mutual intervention, but simply docked in a nearby port and trucked to delivery. What right does the US have to stop other countries legitimate arms deals when we too are in the arms trade? It was a Pirated cargo ship. There is no mutual interest beyond eliminating this problem. None at all.

Here is todays read on Russia and arms, short form:

Thu Oct 2, 10:37 AM ET
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia hopes to deploy a new nuclear missile next year designed to penetrate anti-missile defenses and will build eight submarines to carry it, defense officials said on Thursday.

North Korea has been upgrading a missile launch site on its east coast in preparation for a test launch of a new long-range missile, a news report said Thursday. South Korea's Dong-A Ilbo newspaper, citing intelligence sources, said activities at Musudan-ri on the coast of North Hamkyong province are focussed on upgrading the site with new equipment or building new facilities. Intelligence authorities believe this indicates the North is preparing to test-fire a new long-range ballistic missile, an advanced model of the Taepodong-2 which can theoretically hit the US west coast, Dong-A said

2 October, 2008
The Associated Press
Russia's decision to dispatch a warship to pirate-infested waters off Somalia reflects its determination to project power worldwide.
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I will not go into detail, but they also have developed a small nuclear weapon that is preprogrammed so if it carrying agent, plane, ship or sub, is destroyed, will deploy. that was over a year ago.

Russia will 'think twice' before repeating Georgia actions: US (AFP via Yahoo! News)

Russia will "think twice" before repeating its actions during the conflict with Georgia, US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte said Thursday, calling on Moscow to fully implement a peace plan. WHY should they in reality?

WE are just chest beating...where is the beef Eric.

Arms Deals Agreed On With India
NEW DELHI -- India will buy 347 T-90 battle tanks from Russia and build 1,000 more locally with Russian help, the defense minister said on Monday, as the two nations decided to iron out differences that had delayed several arms deals.

India, one of the world's biggest arms buyers and Russia, a long time supplier, also agreed to speed up delivery of an aircraft carrier that has been slated for delivery in 2012, a defense official said
September 30, 2008

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Russia will hold its largest air force exercises since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union next week, while a naval convoy on its way to Venezuela stages a show of strength in the Mediterranean.

APF , 33 minutes ago:
Russia will "think twice" before repeating its actions during the conflict with Georgia, US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte said Thursday, calling on Moscow to fully implement a peace plan. WHY should they in reality?

WE are just chest beating...where is the beef Eric?

Eric, like Mr. N, you need to face reality. What you quote has been spouted since the end of WW I...and nothing has changed. Bono has met thousands of refugees, Cynthia Basinet has as well...do you want a Nobel Peace laureates award? How do you prevent a bully who is bigger and stronger to back down? With words? It is a fight of sorts that we are losing...think we own SA?

MOSCOW -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez agreed Friday to give broad access to his country's oil riches to five Russian companies, Russian Energy Minister ... along with the sales agreement to replace Bolivias military...

Be realistic, not philosophical. They are not going to play patti cakes...your wrong on your world views.

Economics next...

JOE
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Tennessee, USA
October 2, 2008

Joe in Tennessee writes:

Economics...man, you are so wrong.

1. What International law gives the US a monopoly on currency? None if the currency cannot be backed up with promissory notes and no one is buying Eric....

2. Tell me what this reflects to you?

Putin Blames U.S. For Financial Woes
Combined Reports Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that U.S. ""irresponsibility"" led to the global financial crisis and discredited its claims to world leadership, as his finance minister moved to link domestic woes to the broader downturn.
September 30, 2008

U.S. Economists Say Kremlin Blocking Oil
By Anatoly Medetsky / Staff Writer
The Russian government deliberately engineered the recent slowdown in oil production by imposing high taxes on the industry, two eminent U.S. economists contend in a new book

Russia accounts for about 6.6 percent of world gold output and ranked fifth in terms of production last year. It has reserves second only to South Africa's.

World platinum markets have been extremely influenced by Russian exports policy. The limitations for Russian platinum exports have been based in Clause 19 of an amendment to the Russian budget which became law in December 1998. It stipulated that only specially authorized "state organs" would be allowed to export platinum group metals. This law prevented Norilsk Nickel from selling any of the platinum produced in 1999. The law was finally amended in the end of 1999. However, there were still shipments of platinum from Russia which might come from platinum stockpiles that were used during the 1990s in order to boost sales. As a result, Russian stocks of platinum might have fallen to very low levels so that they might have a lesser effect on the market in the future. Actually, Russian exports from stockpiles have been stopped ...Russia now has an unknown reserve of Platinum in Switzerland..since 1999 when Putin mandated the gold and all other precious metals and information be kept by the Russian Federation...

Here read something: http://fin-forex.com/the-savings-bank-of-the-russian-federation-has-foun...

Money makes the world agreements...as it stands...

Do you even know the extent of the loss's worldwide Eric?

Perhaps it is our way of deliberately gaining leverage again with everyone, but who suffers? Why should the average American suffer for the poor insight and stewardship of the decision makers?...mostly, why are the people responsible not going to trial.

You stated you help all these people, where did the money come from Eric, a Monopoly game? How did the food get there, where did the money come for the petrol, the boxes, the storage, the tents..and maintenance of everything related to it all -- even if it is charitable Eric...?

Food banks in America are being depleated, the Red Cross, every single charatiable organization is losing because the Christian Middle Class that gives the money has less to give even at that level...

How is the Euro dollar worth 1.75 of a US dollar Eric...they have less then we do....Where did you take Economics?

Unless this a forced depression, we are in a world of hurt to put in laymans terms. There will be no short term suffering...

Thank God, the average family got 300 to 600 back last year and now have to shell out $2,333. many lost their 401, pension valuation....nice deal for the rich.

It is not rocket science...we were Economicaly out foxed...

And Susan, Gods Trust is only obtained in Overview, not self centerness. We have become what Russia propoganda stated: A nation of well fed sheep by our own doing.

We need to write to Congressional leaders, but do not...we need to be active at the community level, but most are not...we let ourselves be led and are suffering the consiquences and the falut is not all in Congress. How many people who lost a job wrote to a Senator I wonder...they only know what the figures show....but, We put our Trust in them and that Trust is an Extension of Gods view of Dominion...

Have the We the People been properly taken care of? Has the country as a whole or just the few? Have those who violated that Trust been convicted of a crime?

It is not over in many ways...we should end up stroger...if Democracy prevails...

Not throwing in the towel, but how long have you had your blinders on? FACTS ARE PREMISSED ON THE SUBJECT MATTER FOR A CONCLUSION, NOT AN OPINION...AND AGAIN, WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? NOT DOS FOR SURE...

Molly
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District Of Columbia, USA
October 2, 2008

Molly in Washington, DC writes:

Does the public and the media ever have an effect on the foreign policy agenda? I think that's really the question.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 2, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

Funny thing about fear mongering, folks often scare themselves to death.

In practical terms it generates suspicion and mistrust that is then reacted to and in turn the vicious cycle that leads to arms races and war is begun.

You are emeshed and invested in sustaining it through your words, thus you cannot see the logic with which MLK spoke. For to do so would be to surrender your premis to the human condition.

As I said before Joe, US and Russian common interests form the basis of US leverage on Russian actions.

And there are more common interests than nationalistic ones that are involved.

With 95% of the world's nuclear weaponry between us, there are long standing parameters to US /Russian relations that need to be taken to a new level of understanding, and Mr. Bush put it well when he said that one nation cannot take on global terrorism by itself, and led diplomacy to create a coalition of nations to fight it.

Russia is a partner in this, and in some respects it has gone about it the wrong way to the concern of the JCS and DoS /Whitehouse which have been quite vocal about those concerns over the years.

Long before Georgia became topic numero uno, or crisis du jour in the press.

Russia's mistake was generating mistrust by its actions, and it hurt them to the tune of billons of dollars lost.

"They know what the need to do." as was the truth when stated, for they have international commitments as a nation that must be met.

If they wish to blame the central bank stepping in to stabilize their currency right after the war on US economic problems, then I'd suggest their propping up their own mistakes in classic style, blaming it on someone else.

I see you finally figured out which ship I was referring to, being its's been plastered all over the press of late.

Reports have differed on destination, and other respects such as the manner of the crewman's death, but that is common in developing situations Joe, and you should know that.

The Somali government's statement was interesting when its leader asked nations to eliminate piracy off Somalia's shores and those responsible inside Somalia.

Russia is doing exactly what it said it would in protecting its people in this case, and the US is doing its part because there are responsibilities of our own to meet under the circumstance to protect life.

And Russians, like all governments abiding by the UN charter have greater responsibilities than just those of soveregnity.

It's ok for Russians to strech the legs a bit, international waters are just that, and the Law of the Sea provides legal premis for the question you asked Brian.

You outght to give an oceonagrapher a break, he's not in a position to answer that question in his capacity, and if you were once part of a government agency, you'd know that too.

As I recall, Russia was the first nation to recognize America as a nation upon our independance from Britan.

We got a lot of history, and sometimes I wonder if they hold it against us for having got the better end of the deal when we bought Alaska so cheap.....(chuckle).

But you just misunderstand something here, Russia and the US are responsible for the welfare of mankind in total for many years to come simply because between us we have the capability to exterminate all life....period.

And that supercedes national interest if it is to be preserved.

Syrian P.
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Syria
October 2, 2008

SNP in Syria writes:

You may resolve this 800 Billion debacle in the financial system, but how the highly compromised 570 trillion Dollars in shady derivatives is going to be salvaged in the next 6 months before it come crashing down.

Eric
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New Mexico, USA
October 3, 2008

Eric in New Mexico writes:

@ SNP,

I have an economic question for you a little closer to home if you'd offer a thought on it.

How will the Syrian economy be affected should Assad finally take the steps neccesary to get Syria removed from the State Dept's list of state sponsors of terror?

And what other tangible benefit for the Syrian people would be forthcoming as a result of better overall relations with the US?

Would SNP agree with the quote by Martin Luther King I posted or not? Would Assad?

Don't you need worry 'bought the USA, we've been known to take a licking and keep on ticking many times before in worse economic crisis than this.

John
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Greece
October 3, 2008

John in Greece writes:

Joe in Tennessee writes: Quote: ...AND AGAIN, WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? NOT DoS FOR SURE...End Quote.
Who are YOU Joe? NOT DoS FOR SURE!

Joe, You know that I respect you and I love your posts. However, if you really want some feedback on what you write, you should start using a little "simplicity". Otherwise, it's impossible to have answers back, unless you write and answer back for your own ego.

"You begin with gold, you go to platinum, you are referring to oil and gas, submarines and vessels, Reserves, Iran, Somalia, and religion roles, nuclears and Euro vs. $ " This is a mosaic of thinking no one can follow, even if he/she has earned a PhD in Economics/Diplomacy and plenty of second majors from whatever university you prefer?

(And I would "advice" you to leave this "education philosophy-background" theory of characterizing people, because I've seen plenty of guys in my professional life graduated from Harvard to be a real "disaster", while simple "Bachelor of Arts" from "anonymous" Schools have been proved geniuses.

I think that this conversation begun with my Mon Sep 29, 2008 post concerning economy. You are the one, though, that made it a "rocket science" and not an Economy debate.

Z developed the "Utopia School of Change", but you Joe, I think you are working on the "Complicated Issue Presentation College" that works as propaganda, as long as no one can answer back a "mosaic of questions". Especially if we consider Eric's NM advice (wise advise of him-in my words): YOU CANNOT DISCUSS EVERYTHING IN PUBLIC, WHILE SOME THINGS MUST BE AND REMAIN "INTEL". All of which is secret, but for a good Will!

So, you create a "comparative/complicated" climate that feeds the creation of a subconsciously message before Elections. Maybe you don't do it consciously, but YOU DO IT!

If you want to restart debating now, I'm back too!

You will have my post concerning, let"s pick up:

1. "Gold" in a future post of mine.

But, I suggest for all of us to keep the American value: simplicity, when we debate.

P.S.: ("notice") I am not gonna buy jewels? I will stuck with ideas and positive thinking.

Syrian P.
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Syria
October 3, 2008

SNP in Syria writes:

@ Eric in New Mexico -- It will have no effects whatsoever. Syria trade with U.S, both way traffic is now, and was in the past, negligible at best. It will be very difficult to market U.S. goods in Syria when China and the rest of the world offer better quality, lower prices and attractive credit terms. It is even more difficult to market Syrian goods in USA. Speaking from real world and personal experiences in trades between the two countries, it was very hard marketing -- Made in Syria -- label on U.S. market, Syria main export is Agri-textile based and with few exceptions the quality is not at par with world standards on every level. Israeli will hinder any considerable trade between the countries as they did for many SNP members businesses in the past that did trading in between. Mossad must have an active campaign prescribed to use the U.S. Customs to harass importers of Syrian goods and have targeted Syrian Businessmen in USA, supplying fictitious associations that caused serious delay and inspections at import terminals. Mossad as you know have extensive espionage network in USA and are listed as the top country that commit these espionage activities in the U.S and on U.S. Companies.

It is doubtful since Sep 11 that Americans will be receptive for Made in Syria products, although some have managed to enter U.S. Market come from one step production areas such as Canada under Made in Canada label, a mean which the Israeli are seeking to close by lobbying congress to close this gap. You also need to take into account that the majority of owners, managers, distributor and buyers in the tow specialized industries and trades are Jewish and will be reluctant to support Made in Syria products. Even if they did, the American public will most likely shun it.

The Syrian people (the public) will never benefit from any improvement of relations between Syria and U.S. at all, nil. The Jewish controlled media made sure that the Syria negative perception is very deep in American minds and will most likely reflect on the wallet feeling as well. SNP recommend to Syrians that they will find better business partners in Russia and Iran.

I don't know what Martin Luther said. Neither what Adolph Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mohammad nor the Quran spoke. I only read and direct others to read narrow set of material that encompass the Belief system preached by SNP, which includes human history from pre-Atlantian to future Biblical prophecy as said by Ezekiel, Daniel and the Book of Revelation, we just keep an eye on the big picture.

I am not a bit worry about God wrath and judgment that will be forthcoming on the evil nations of the world. I am elated that from what I know the Black horse is coming, Daniel seals are being opened. Sorry Eric, I will take Ezekiel, Daniel and John the revelator words and warning ahead of yours. This way you stay on top of it all and have an overview of the whole picture, when everyone else is in confusion and distress.

Donald
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Virginia, USA
October 3, 2008

Donald in Virginia writes:

3 October 08

THE SOLUTION FOR THIS CRISIS IS SIMPLE:

Congres of United States of America should pass a new BILL into law stating that gas prices will not exceed $1.00 a gallon. Then to include in this new Bill that CREDIT lines will be halted until the Banks, Mortgage Lenders, and Companies sort out their Financial woes.

This Bill would help all Americans. It would also cap the existing price of oil and gas being sold in America. Then the oil companies are not making billions of dollars.

The effect of $1.00 a gallon on price would allow people to pay the rent, pay the mortgages, shop for groceries, and live without being thrown out of their homes. It would also help the economy get a boost!

Susan
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Florida, USA
October 3, 2008

Susan in Florida writes:

@ John in Greece

Thank you, John, for your comments to Joe. You are absolutely right. I was not going to respond to his last blog for the very reasons you stated. And you know that I have said that I believe that everyone who blogs on to this site has the right to his/her "opinions". After all, we should be able to comment without having an argument. These are my last thoughts on this!!

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