Posted by Hannah Johnson on Feb 03, 2012 - 05:55 PM
![Rose E. Gottemoeller, Assistant Secretary of State for Arms Control, Verification and Compliance, delivers the opening statement for the United States at the First Plenary of the 2012 Session of the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva, Switzerland, on January 24, 2012. [State Department photo/ Public Domain]](http://blogs.state.gov/images/Dipnote/behind_the_scenes/2012_0203_disarmament_conference_m.jpg)
Assistant Secretary Gottemoeller said, "The New START Treaty entered into force on February 5, 2011.… The treaty represents a strong foundation for further bilateral reductions and an important step on the path towards a world without nuclear weapons. Discussions between our two governments on the next steps are underway."
Assistant Secretary Gottemoeller also discussed beginning negotiations on a Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty (FMCT). She said, "If the CD fails to deliver an FMCT negotiation this year, we will again have shirked our responsibility to move forward towards a world without nuclear weapons…. We recognize that this is a crucial year for the CD as an institution and that the UN General Assembly is monitoring our progress closely. Let's seize the opportunity to make real progress here and restore the vibrancy of this once vital institution. Business as usual is a recipe for disaster."
On February 3-4, 2012, global leaders gather for the 48th Munich Security Conference, an annual event that addresses common security challenges. The 2012 Munich Security Conference agenda includes a broad range of issues. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will address the conference, where she will reaffirm the fundamental importance of the transatlantic relationship and Europe's role as an essential partner in addressing global security challenges. You can follow her travel to Germany on state.gov's trip page as well as on Facebook and Twitter.
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Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
As John in Greece has already itemized your methodology of human interaction on this blog, I don't need to repeat his work, just sayin'...
...don't believe everything you think.
You'll be the wiser for it.
For my part, I've tried to illustrate some of the thinking processes behind the decision making on policy, and to continue to offer you my time and patience to render a little perspective for your benefit would be at this point like casting pearls before swine, for how you've appreciated it, apparently.
Even though I tell you the truth, and am generally ahead of the news cycle in my assesments of the parameters in most cases.
If you don't care for what I have to say...fine, but I know when a fellow has lost his point in debate when you devolve the conversation into being all about your personal problems with those you're having a conversation with in snide insunuations of people's character.
If you can't appreciate someone telling you strait the way it is, then that's your problem. As it stands, maybe I should get paid to put up with your insults. So where do I send you my bill?
So check this, you did hear it from me first;
'http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/syrian-missiles-chemical-arms-big-worry-us/'
"Now as far as physicly intervening in Syria is concerned, one has to make an assesment as to whether Assad or his military commanders acting independantly would launch, transfer and/or sell off chemical and or biological weapons that Assad's regime has in inventory."
Posted on Fri Feb 10 on;
'http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/entry/recent_events_in_syria#Comments'
John, there's a lot more physical evidence than this to suggest I know my gov. a lot better than you do in general applications in regards to foreign policy, so you may want to show a wee bit more respect for the people you interact here with on this blog, and quit picking fights you can't win with folks.
That way you might actually learn something new for a change.
In otherwords, grab a much needed attitude adjustment before you bother me with your personal problems you're having in general with human interactions... again, that's what a bar is for....not a blog (chuckle).
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 16, 2012
@ John in Canada,
As John in Greece has already itemized your methodology of human interaction on this blog, I don't need to repeat his work, just sayin'...
...don't believe everything you think.
You'll be the wiser for it.
For my part, I've tried to illustrate some of the thinking processes behind the decision making on policy, and to continue to offer you my time and patience to render a little perspective for your benefit would be at this point like casting pearls before swine, for how you've appreciated it, apparently.
Even though I tell you the truth, and am generally ahead of the news cycle in my assesments of the parameters in most cases.
If you don't care for what I have to say...fine, but I know when a fellow has lost his point in debate when you devolve the conversation into being all about your personal problems with those you're having a conversation with in snide insunuations of people's character.
If you can't appreciate someone telling you strait the way it is, then that's your problem. As it stands, maybe I should get paid to put up with your insults. So where do I send you my bill?
So check this, you did hear it from me first;
'http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/syrian-missiles-chemical-arms-big-worry-us/'
"Now as far as physicly intervening in Syria is concerned, one has to make an assesment as to whether Assad or his military commanders acting independantly would launch, transfer and/or sell off chemical and or biological weapons that Assad's regime has in inventory."
Posted on Fri Feb 10 on;
'http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/entry/recent_events_in_syria#Comments'
John, there's a lot more physical evidence than this to suggest I know my gov. a lot better than you do in general applications in regards to foreign policy, so you may want to show a wee bit more respect for the people you interact here with on this blog, and quit picking fights you can't win with folks.
That way you might actually learn something new for a change.
In otherwords, grab a much needed attitude adjustment before you bother me with your personal problems you're having in general with human interactions... again, that's what a bar is for....not a blog (chuckle).
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 16, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ John in Canada
Here is only a few of what you have written about me in this post.
Besides, I don’t mention your personal attacks on Eric. Readers can judge…
Some of JOHN's in Canada QUOTES:
@ John P in Greece -- "Logic" (laugh) What you call logic is simple minded.
(people have been thinking like you guys from before America was America -not very modern).
What you call logic is devoid of common sense.
Same game + past performance = very predictable results.(or is this too logical to comprehend?)
I'm not sure I would call it logic - Epic stupidity but certainly not logic nor common sense.
Do you guys provide tin foil hats at the border for visitors by the way? (laugh)
-- a visitor might just disappear because of some paranoid, deluded bureaucrat that has not stepped out of their office in decades and reads 1940s military doctrine. (life is just so scary - so kill it - so very logical)
@ John P. in Greece - only an ideological infant speaks in left, right and center. or someone who wants constant conflict.
if you make sense, are a stand up person (does what they say), dont rip me off or attack me (or my family), lie, care about justice - hate corruption - care about life - as they say in toy story - you've got a friend in me.(laugh) Otherwise piss off.
I think we have a language barrier John in Greece - what you are asking makes NO sense.
Seems that is the nature of this blog on dip note
I posted a few for you. Did You answer - Yes with a stupid question. (laugh)
John in Greece - I think I understand why Greece is so screwed - after reading your comments = it is all very clear now. (laugh)
Its been fun - I ll leave you to your Muppet show.
Eric can make some interesting posts - you can continue to nod yes, yes and gush - WW can put some alternative thought - Zarkov can come on in here and You and Eric can attack his view.(Laugh)
Why does it pain you so much to hear other views?
Or are you the type that listens only with those that agree with you?
If you hear from only those in agreement - you live in a bubble unaware of the world around you - like a child in a temper tantrum.
If you can only attack a view point with hostility - I can only surmise that your view is too lame and weak to provide any valid argument. Or sir, you do not know what you are talking about. Either way conversation is pointless.
or European countries that have to pay Greek debt do it- Work, mouth pieces and wimps like you wont do.
Son, you have know idea what I think or feel nor do you have any sense of where I stand - you see in only one narrow way - you assume things you do not know. And you ask the wrong questions.
If you were not so self absorbed.
You may see things a little more clearly. Personalities like you are why we have conflict - immovable ignorance.
My Greek sucks - that's why I am not on Greek language message board being hostile to native Greeks who dont understand me and I them.
If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain.
Given that English is not your first language - do you think it just might be possible that you don't understand English well enough to grasp the subtleties of what I say?
Many Europeans learn English by watching movies and listening to music - My experience has taught me that while they seem to be able to converse on some level in English - deeper communication often reveals they dont understand the language or the nuances of that language - they also get mad when this becomes apparent.
What ever you hate John in Greece - look in the mirror because your as bad as all that you hate.
you act exactly like anyone with a fundamentalist viewpoint either political, religious or social. -Your all the same.
Whats your solution John in Greece - KILL EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU? Genocide against all who disagree with John the Greek - how very WW2. (Laugh)
Ill leave you and John P in Greece to carry on - perhaps your correct Eric - you never know who reads these posts - they seem to get their ideas from the likes of you and John P. in Greece.
Enjoy the Muppet show at Dip note guys.
@ John P. in Greece I was going to respond to your last post as infantile as it was - but why waste the time in engaging in such a fruitless endeavor. Neither you or Eric are remotely interested in engaging on these boards - unless the other party agrees with what you trumpet.
END OF QUOTES (Chuckle)
John I asked you twice, but you never answered me if you "feel" American.
Now I have to ask you if you think that this kind of language is appropriate for a diplomatic Blog?
Anyway- No hard feelings!
Posted on Mon Feb 13, 2012
@ John in Canada
Here is only a few of what you have written about me in this post.
Besides, I don’t mention your personal attacks on Eric. Readers can judge…
Some of JOHN's in Canada QUOTES:
@ John P in Greece -- "Logic" (laugh) What you call logic is simple minded.
(people have been thinking like you guys from before America was America -not very modern).
What you call logic is devoid of common sense.
Same game + past performance = very predictable results.(or is this too logical to comprehend?)
I'm not sure I would call it logic - Epic stupidity but certainly not logic nor common sense.
Do you guys provide tin foil hats at the border for visitors by the way? (laugh)
-- a visitor might just disappear because of some paranoid, deluded bureaucrat that has not stepped out of their office in decades and reads 1940s military doctrine. (life is just so scary - so kill it - so very logical)
@ John P. in Greece - only an ideological infant speaks in left, right and center. or someone who wants constant conflict.
if you make sense, are a stand up person (does what they say), dont rip me off or attack me (or my family), lie, care about justice - hate corruption - care about life - as they say in toy story - you've got a friend in me.(laugh) Otherwise piss off.
I think we have a language barrier John in Greece - what you are asking makes NO sense.
Seems that is the nature of this blog on dip note
I posted a few for you. Did You answer - Yes with a stupid question. (laugh)
John in Greece - I think I understand why Greece is so screwed - after reading your comments = it is all very clear now. (laugh)
Its been fun - I ll leave you to your Muppet show.
Eric can make some interesting posts - you can continue to nod yes, yes and gush - WW can put some alternative thought - Zarkov can come on in here and You and Eric can attack his view.(Laugh)
Why does it pain you so much to hear other views?
Or are you the type that listens only with those that agree with you?
If you hear from only those in agreement - you live in a bubble unaware of the world around you - like a child in a temper tantrum.
If you can only attack a view point with hostility - I can only surmise that your view is too lame and weak to provide any valid argument. Or sir, you do not know what you are talking about. Either way conversation is pointless.
or European countries that have to pay Greek debt do it- Work, mouth pieces and wimps like you wont do.
Son, you have know idea what I think or feel nor do you have any sense of where I stand - you see in only one narrow way - you assume things you do not know. And you ask the wrong questions.
If you were not so self absorbed.
You may see things a little more clearly. Personalities like you are why we have conflict - immovable ignorance.
My Greek sucks - that's why I am not on Greek language message board being hostile to native Greeks who dont understand me and I them.
If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain.
Given that English is not your first language - do you think it just might be possible that you don't understand English well enough to grasp the subtleties of what I say?
Many Europeans learn English by watching movies and listening to music - My experience has taught me that while they seem to be able to converse on some level in English - deeper communication often reveals they dont understand the language or the nuances of that language - they also get mad when this becomes apparent.
What ever you hate John in Greece - look in the mirror because your as bad as all that you hate.
you act exactly like anyone with a fundamentalist viewpoint either political, religious or social. -Your all the same.
Whats your solution John in Greece - KILL EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU? Genocide against all who disagree with John the Greek - how very WW2. (Laugh)
Ill leave you and John P in Greece to carry on - perhaps your correct Eric - you never know who reads these posts - they seem to get their ideas from the likes of you and John P. in Greece.
Enjoy the Muppet show at Dip note guys.
@ John P. in Greece I was going to respond to your last post as infantile as it was - but why waste the time in engaging in such a fruitless endeavor. Neither you or Eric are remotely interested in engaging on these boards - unless the other party agrees with what you trumpet.
END OF QUOTES (Chuckle)
John I asked you twice, but you never answered me if you "feel" American.
Now I have to ask you if you think that this kind of language is appropriate for a diplomatic Blog?
Anyway- No hard feelings!
Posted on Mon Feb 13, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ Eric.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
"If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain..."
Ok, I will;
Guy comes into a bar with a chip on his shoulder hoping someone will knock it off and then complains to the management when he gets into a fight...
This wouldn't be you would it?
(chuckle)
Enough already with the personal BS, and get on with making sense.
That's my advice...
EJ
Eric if you think I have a chip on my shoulder you are way off base.
My past posts, which conveniently - some very valid points were in fact raised - went completely ignored.
So if you want sensible communication - then by all means communicate. sometimes that includes the tough questions asked and answered (back and forth -thats how it works)- like it or not.
Now if you dont want to talk outside the official government party line - your choice. But don't expect more then anything but cheer leading and drivel on here)
You see Eric, You proved my point with your own analogy (noted above)- you guys are always on about fight, fight, fight - yet call for peace.(laughable)
You Ignore facts and trumpet doctrine (why I asked how much you guys are paid)
When inconvenient facts that are raised, which in my view challenge your "doctrine". You either ignore it or try to "cleverly belittle " the inconvenient bits and the person." You use the term ethical infant often - how very appropriate.
"House of cards" and "hot air come to mind"
So if you want to talk - then by all means talk (which means talk the tough stuff and if you spew BS dont expect not to be challenged - and when you are challenged then step up and express you views - or are the views expressed just that weak? That you cant express them; without looking foolish.
Ill leave you and John P in Greece to carry on - perhaps your correct Eric - you never know who reads these posts - they seem to get their ideas from the likes of you and John P. in Greece.
Sorry Eric that you can neither appreciate or understand the common sense - that one cant communicate with another who asks questions that make absolutely no sense at all (or refuses to engage - or are pointless)
frankly teaching roaches the benefits of contraception would be infinitely more rewarding.
Enjoy the Muppet show at Dip note guys.
@ John P. in Greece I was going to respond to your last post as infantile as it was - but why waste the time in engaging in such a fruitless endeavor. Neither you or Eric are remotely interested in engaging on these boards - unless the other party agrees with what you trumpet.
Posted on Sat Feb 11, 2012
@ Eric.
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
"If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain..."
Ok, I will;
Guy comes into a bar with a chip on his shoulder hoping someone will knock it off and then complains to the management when he gets into a fight...
This wouldn't be you would it?
(chuckle)
Enough already with the personal BS, and get on with making sense.
That's my advice...
EJ
Eric if you think I have a chip on my shoulder you are way off base.
My past posts, which conveniently - some very valid points were in fact raised - went completely ignored.
So if you want sensible communication - then by all means communicate. sometimes that includes the tough questions asked and answered (back and forth -thats how it works)- like it or not.
Now if you dont want to talk outside the official government party line - your choice. But don't expect more then anything but cheer leading and drivel on here)
You see Eric, You proved my point with your own analogy (noted above)- you guys are always on about fight, fight, fight - yet call for peace.(laughable)
You Ignore facts and trumpet doctrine (why I asked how much you guys are paid)
When inconvenient facts that are raised, which in my view challenge your "doctrine". You either ignore it or try to "cleverly belittle " the inconvenient bits and the person." You use the term ethical infant often - how very appropriate.
"House of cards" and "hot air come to mind"
So if you want to talk - then by all means talk (which means talk the tough stuff and if you spew BS dont expect not to be challenged - and when you are challenged then step up and express you views - or are the views expressed just that weak? That you cant express them; without looking foolish.
Ill leave you and John P in Greece to carry on - perhaps your correct Eric - you never know who reads these posts - they seem to get their ideas from the likes of you and John P. in Greece.
Sorry Eric that you can neither appreciate or understand the common sense - that one cant communicate with another who asks questions that make absolutely no sense at all (or refuses to engage - or are pointless)
frankly teaching roaches the benefits of contraception would be infinitely more rewarding.
Enjoy the Muppet show at Dip note guys.
@ John P. in Greece I was going to respond to your last post as infantile as it was - but why waste the time in engaging in such a fruitless endeavor. Neither you or Eric are remotely interested in engaging on these boards - unless the other party agrees with what you trumpet.
Posted on Sat Feb 11, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ Eric in New Mexico & John in Canada
Dear Eric,
Thank you very much for your good words Sir.
According to my lexicon, near to my Webster’s No1 definition of “Sir” should be your name because you are THE BEST!
There is no problem with John in Canada… (It’s ok Bro!)
I’ve learned to love the poison rather than the snake.
Obviously, John in Canada has a problem with me, but this is also OK!
I don’t have a problem with him. In fact, I like his feedback, especially if he was more polite in a diplomatic forum like this.
But that’s also OK!
My best EJ –I wish you the best weekend, although, John in Canada will call us a lobby (LOL)
Posted on Sat Feb 11, 2012
@ Eric in New Mexico & John in Canada
Dear Eric,
Thank you very much for your good words Sir.
According to my lexicon, near to my Webster’s No1 definition of “Sir” should be your name because you are THE BEST!
There is no problem with John in Canada… (It’s ok Bro!)
I’ve learned to love the poison rather than the snake.
Obviously, John in Canada has a problem with me, but this is also OK!
I don’t have a problem with him. In fact, I like his feedback, especially if he was more polite in a diplomatic forum like this.
But that’s also OK!
My best EJ –I wish you the best weekend, although, John in Canada will call us a lobby (LOL)
Posted on Sat Feb 11, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Greece,
My perscription of late for the "blah's" was watching the funniest touchdown in history last Sunday.
Being in Greece, you have a grandstand view of all the changes taking place around the Med., and a way of inspiring me to consider your perspective, whether somwe find it "simplistic" or not, we arn't the "muppets" Ernie and Bert.
Honorable members of the "peanut gallery" all perhaps, but that's why folks have a comment section on this blog.
(chuckle)
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ John in Greece,
My perscription of late for the "blah's" was watching the funniest touchdown in history last Sunday.
Being in Greece, you have a grandstand view of all the changes taking place around the Med., and a way of inspiring me to consider your perspective, whether somwe find it "simplistic" or not, we arn't the "muppets" Ernie and Bert.
Honorable members of the "peanut gallery" all perhaps, but that's why folks have a comment section on this blog.
(chuckle)
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
"If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain..."
Ok, I will;
Guy comes into a bar with a chip on his shoulder hoping someone will knock it off and then complains to the management when he gets into a fight...
This wouldn't be you would it?
(chuckle)
Enough already with the personal BS, and get on with making sense.
That's my advice...
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ John in Canada,
"If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain..."
Ok, I will;
Guy comes into a bar with a chip on his shoulder hoping someone will knock it off and then complains to the management when he gets into a fight...
This wouldn't be you would it?
(chuckle)
Enough already with the personal BS, and get on with making sense.
That's my advice...
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ John in Canada
Thank you very much John for your kind words. Actually I did call Dr. EJ, but due to time zone limits, I could not reach him and I had to make the diagnosis alone.
In your case, I am between Korsakoff’s and the Star Syndrome.
In such cases they say that for an accurate diagnosis the patient can provide help by providing some proper answers to the Doctor.
- John do you feel American? (I mean do you love the United States of America?)
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ John in Canada
Thank you very much John for your kind words. Actually I did call Dr. EJ, but due to time zone limits, I could not reach him and I had to make the diagnosis alone.
In your case, I am between Korsakoff’s and the Star Syndrome.
In such cases they say that for an accurate diagnosis the patient can provide help by providing some proper answers to the Doctor.
- John do you feel American? (I mean do you love the United States of America?)
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ John in Greece
Why does it pain you so much to hear other views?
Or are you the type that listens only with those that agree with you?
If you hear from only those in agreement - you live in a bubble unaware of the world around you - like a child in a temper tantrum.
If you can only attack a view point with hostility - I can only surmise that your view is too lame and weak to provide any valid argument. Or sir, you do not know what you are talking about. Either way conversation is pointless.
Why so angry? Is this why you want war? Live out your anger vicariously?
Your close to Syria - get off this board and put your money where your mouth is - or do you prefer to watch American soldiers do all the work or European countries that have to pay Greek debt do it- Work, mouth pieces and wimps like you wont do.
Son, you have know idea what I think or feel nor do you have any sense of where I stand - you see in only one narrow way - you assume things you do not know. And you ask the wrong questions.
If you were not so self absorbed. You may see things a little more clearly. Personalities like you are why we have conflict - immovable ignorance.
If I cant understand what your question is - Logic dictates I cannot answer. I am a native English speaker. My Greek sucks - that's why I am not on Greek language message board being hostile to native Greeks who dont understand me and I them.
If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain. He and I are not all that different in view on most things.(still some misunderstanding - even English speakers can have crossed wires in communication and not understand each other fully)
Given that English is not your first language - do you think it just might be possible that you don't understand English well enough to grasp the subtleties of what I say?
Many Europeans learn English by watching movies and listening to music - My experience has taught me that while they seem to be able to converse on some level in English - deeper communication often reveals they dont understand the language or the nuances of that language - they also get mad when this becomes apparent.
You clearly have not read or understood what I was posting - It is beyond hopeless to comment further on the subject. But in closing; a few points.
What ever you hate John in Greece - look in the mirror because your as bad as all that you hate.
you act exactly like anyone with a fundamentalist viewpoint either political, religious or social. -Your all the same.
Whats up with your love affair with this Z person - I have not spoken about him - I dont always agree with what Z speaks but non the less people out there think like him. Whats your solution John in Greece - KILL EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU? Genocide against all who disagree with John the Greek - how very WW2. (Laugh)
Have a nice day. Please come again.
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ John in Greece
Why does it pain you so much to hear other views?
Or are you the type that listens only with those that agree with you?
If you hear from only those in agreement - you live in a bubble unaware of the world around you - like a child in a temper tantrum.
If you can only attack a view point with hostility - I can only surmise that your view is too lame and weak to provide any valid argument. Or sir, you do not know what you are talking about. Either way conversation is pointless.
Why so angry? Is this why you want war? Live out your anger vicariously?
Your close to Syria - get off this board and put your money where your mouth is - or do you prefer to watch American soldiers do all the work or European countries that have to pay Greek debt do it- Work, mouth pieces and wimps like you wont do.
Son, you have know idea what I think or feel nor do you have any sense of where I stand - you see in only one narrow way - you assume things you do not know. And you ask the wrong questions.
If you were not so self absorbed. You may see things a little more clearly. Personalities like you are why we have conflict - immovable ignorance.
If I cant understand what your question is - Logic dictates I cannot answer. I am a native English speaker. My Greek sucks - that's why I am not on Greek language message board being hostile to native Greeks who dont understand me and I them.
If you have questions about this post ask Eric to explain. He and I are not all that different in view on most things.(still some misunderstanding - even English speakers can have crossed wires in communication and not understand each other fully)
Given that English is not your first language - do you think it just might be possible that you don't understand English well enough to grasp the subtleties of what I say?
Many Europeans learn English by watching movies and listening to music - My experience has taught me that while they seem to be able to converse on some level in English - deeper communication often reveals they dont understand the language or the nuances of that language - they also get mad when this becomes apparent.
You clearly have not read or understood what I was posting - It is beyond hopeless to comment further on the subject. But in closing; a few points.
What ever you hate John in Greece - look in the mirror because your as bad as all that you hate.
you act exactly like anyone with a fundamentalist viewpoint either political, religious or social. -Your all the same.
Whats up with your love affair with this Z person - I have not spoken about him - I dont always agree with what Z speaks but non the less people out there think like him. Whats your solution John in Greece - KILL EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU? Genocide against all who disagree with John the Greek - how very WW2. (Laugh)
Have a nice day. Please come again.
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Greece,
I'm not sure "Right and left" are the working dynamic dimentions of Niagra Falls, seen from the guy in the barrel's perspective.
Ask Assad at what point he'll realize he can't get out of the river, and a long drop awaits?
Best,
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ John in Greece,
I'm not sure "Right and left" are the working dynamic dimentions of Niagra Falls, seen from the guy in the barrel's perspective.
Ask Assad at what point he'll realize he can't get out of the river, and a long drop awaits?
Best,
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ John in Canada
QUOTE: I think we have a language barrier John in Greece - what you are asking makes NO sense. END OF QUOTE
I apologize if my English is not that good like your native ones. I imagine your Greek is better than mine, right? Or your native is French? Maybe this way we could probably understand your sympathy and interest for Iran & Co.
Nevertheless, I agree concerning the “barrier”, although I’d call it lack of intelligence compatibility between us.
It’s the only way I can explain -using my silly brain- why you can’t understand a childish pre-elementary question.
Let me put it in an elementary level to help you big one:
U.S.A. is the No1 Power on earth with a vision, values and a proposed platform for the new millennium Democracy –unless you have objections on this too. Do we decide that we follow a strategically policy that allows and imposes “engagement” wherever the need is? Do you agree that U.S. is obliged to keep on proving its role as a hyper power that helps nations, people and Democracy around the globe? Or, you dream of a U.S.A. Fed locked in the closet like your friend Z?
“The people will remember who supported their freedom and who did not. It's why America has no permanent enemies.”
Why do I think that the Strategic Thought Team in the White House will understand my point, but you will remain with your “barrier” life boat, saying that I am too complicated and rather non-sense?
It’s because you don’t have the strength to answer… just a 101 question.
I won’t answer back to your insults. That’s Ok…
Besides, Eric gave you exactly what you deserve, when you don’t respect the people you discuss with, no matter on the level of agreement or disagreement.
QUOTE: John in Greece - I think I understand why Greece is so screwed - after reading your comments = it is all very clear now. (laugh) END OF QUOTE
Yes, sure! But some of us may LOL with your comments.
My dear, respected friend, (and this is not ironical) I am not commenting here to promote, protect or defend Greece. I am here on a more MACRO way: I feel American* and it’s my right to feel what I want to feel no matter if I
got an American passport, or not. You can feel and act as American wherever you are!
Do you feel American John? Or you’ll stack with your Canadian logic?
Why do I ask this?
My QUOTE: John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…? END OF QUOTE
'http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/entires/disney_video/'
Sometimes people cannot understand the “river effect”…
So, next time you characterize my question as stupid, just think comparatively and read.
Before you characterize someone as stupid on the ground that you cannot understand him it’s more polite to ask instead of making assumptions.
Now tell me; where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…?
The Muppet show TEAM
(Laugh)
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ John in Canada
QUOTE: I think we have a language barrier John in Greece - what you are asking makes NO sense. END OF QUOTE
I apologize if my English is not that good like your native ones. I imagine your Greek is better than mine, right? Or your native is French? Maybe this way we could probably understand your sympathy and interest for Iran & Co.
Nevertheless, I agree concerning the “barrier”, although I’d call it lack of intelligence compatibility between us.
It’s the only way I can explain -using my silly brain- why you can’t understand a childish pre-elementary question.
Let me put it in an elementary level to help you big one:
U.S.A. is the No1 Power on earth with a vision, values and a proposed platform for the new millennium Democracy –unless you have objections on this too. Do we decide that we follow a strategically policy that allows and imposes “engagement” wherever the need is? Do you agree that U.S. is obliged to keep on proving its role as a hyper power that helps nations, people and Democracy around the globe? Or, you dream of a U.S.A. Fed locked in the closet like your friend Z?
“The people will remember who supported their freedom and who did not. It's why America has no permanent enemies.”
Why do I think that the Strategic Thought Team in the White House will understand my point, but you will remain with your “barrier” life boat, saying that I am too complicated and rather non-sense?
It’s because you don’t have the strength to answer… just a 101 question.
I won’t answer back to your insults. That’s Ok…
Besides, Eric gave you exactly what you deserve, when you don’t respect the people you discuss with, no matter on the level of agreement or disagreement.
QUOTE: John in Greece - I think I understand why Greece is so screwed - after reading your comments = it is all very clear now. (laugh) END OF QUOTE
Yes, sure! But some of us may LOL with your comments.
My dear, respected friend, (and this is not ironical) I am not commenting here to promote, protect or defend Greece. I am here on a more MACRO way: I feel American* and it’s my right to feel what I want to feel no matter if I
got an American passport, or not. You can feel and act as American wherever you are!
Do you feel American John? Or you’ll stack with your Canadian logic?
Why do I ask this?
My QUOTE: John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…? END OF QUOTE
'http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/entires/disney_video/'
Sometimes people cannot understand the “river effect”…
So, next time you characterize my question as stupid, just think comparatively and read.
Before you characterize someone as stupid on the ground that you cannot understand him it’s more polite to ask instead of making assumptions.
Now tell me; where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…?
The Muppet show TEAM
(Laugh)
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
Even if I had the time to entertain all your questions, those you consider "hard" that you acuse me of avoiding I find to be generally posed from a point of flawed perception, thust to try and answer a question based on a flawed premis about America renders no answer to give you based on reality as you percieve it to be, which frustrates you since I'm not giving you the answer that you were hoping for.
Now if you want to rephrase a few of them and try me again, I might think about it, but I'm not inclined to carry on this conversation so long as you take such an arrogent attitude that the folks your talking with are "muppets".
This ain't Sesame St. and you ain't five years old anymore, so grow up already!
"http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/entry/unesco_education_holocaust#Comments"
(excerpt of post)
Given the situation in Syria, the escalating violence, the shelling of Homs, and the aquiesence of some nations to allowing this to continue; wheras the President of the United States has once again called for Assad to step aside, along with other leaders calling for Assad to as well, I have the following recomendation.
Come Monday morning, a coalition of the willing introduce a chapter 7 resolution into the UNSC's agenda, and give notice to those who may be opposed that whether or not it passes in the UNSC, that Assad will be removed from power by force if neccessary and call upon Russia to serve notice to Assad in their meetings in Damascus that we will not compromise with evil or its supporters.
---
So now folks are getting together as "the friends of Syria" on the international stage and talking about working outside the framework of the UN, and possibly with the UNSC at some point in the future regarding Syria, as for the "three tracks"( Diplomatic, pressure on Assad, and humanitarian relief - as outlined by V. Nuland today in briefing), eventually circumstances will force folks to accept that a humanitarian intervenytion is in order and then all three tracks will be combined to work interactively together.
And just maybe folks will call it, "regime replacement therapy".
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ John in Canada,
Even if I had the time to entertain all your questions, those you consider "hard" that you acuse me of avoiding I find to be generally posed from a point of flawed perception, thust to try and answer a question based on a flawed premis about America renders no answer to give you based on reality as you percieve it to be, which frustrates you since I'm not giving you the answer that you were hoping for.
Now if you want to rephrase a few of them and try me again, I might think about it, but I'm not inclined to carry on this conversation so long as you take such an arrogent attitude that the folks your talking with are "muppets".
This ain't Sesame St. and you ain't five years old anymore, so grow up already!
"http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/entry/unesco_education_holocaust#Comments"
(excerpt of post)
Given the situation in Syria, the escalating violence, the shelling of Homs, and the aquiesence of some nations to allowing this to continue; wheras the President of the United States has once again called for Assad to step aside, along with other leaders calling for Assad to as well, I have the following recomendation.
Come Monday morning, a coalition of the willing introduce a chapter 7 resolution into the UNSC's agenda, and give notice to those who may be opposed that whether or not it passes in the UNSC, that Assad will be removed from power by force if neccessary and call upon Russia to serve notice to Assad in their meetings in Damascus that we will not compromise with evil or its supporters.
---
So now folks are getting together as "the friends of Syria" on the international stage and talking about working outside the framework of the UN, and possibly with the UNSC at some point in the future regarding Syria, as for the "three tracks"( Diplomatic, pressure on Assad, and humanitarian relief - as outlined by V. Nuland today in briefing), eventually circumstances will force folks to accept that a humanitarian intervenytion is in order and then all three tracks will be combined to work interactively together.
And just maybe folks will call it, "regime replacement therapy".
EJ
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
W.W. writes:
@ john in canada
Faith
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
@ john in canada
Faith
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
You asked me how kinetic intervention helped, and I gave you a number of examples of how it did, and the world's better off I think.
Now problems are goiung to arise, just not those problems anymore...and if you've read anything I've said on this blog, you'd understand why I agree with you that Saddam should have been removed from power in '91.
Just not for the same reasons, it comes down to a willingness to get the job done right the first time, so a lasting peace becomes possible.
So getting back to Iran, the thought of a "limited strike" to take out nuclear facilities , rishing retaliation by leaving the gov. intact to be capable of giving that order is not sound strategy.
The problem isn't the nuclear facilities, the problem is the leadership of Iran, and without them, the world would indeed be a better place to raise kids in, as hard as it may be to achieve "regime replacement therapy" and eliminate Iran's balistic missile threat to the region from get go.
A gov. should either be willing and capable of eliminating Iran's capacity to make war, or it should rethink going to war.
And if any Israeli official is reading this, they are welcome to come on this blog and challenge my premis of how best to get THAT job done if they like.
By the way, you should think about refraining from attacking people personally for they may end any and all conversations with you. I'm just calling you on your rudeness in general aspects, and hope it gives you something to consider when discussing Foreign policy on this blog.
It's a sure sign that you lost the debate before you got started insulting people, instead of sticking to the issues in a reasonable and non abusive manner.
I'm being nice...just don't get me to the point where I describe your method of debating as being derived from the fact that your mommy and daddy were brother and sister, I don't want to get personal with you on a negative level.
It's like you're asking for it,...and I'm not playing. This goes for what you say to John in Greece or anyone else, best to tone it down a notch.
best,
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
@ John in Canada,
You asked me how kinetic intervention helped, and I gave you a number of examples of how it did, and the world's better off I think.
Now problems are goiung to arise, just not those problems anymore...and if you've read anything I've said on this blog, you'd understand why I agree with you that Saddam should have been removed from power in '91.
Just not for the same reasons, it comes down to a willingness to get the job done right the first time, so a lasting peace becomes possible.
So getting back to Iran, the thought of a "limited strike" to take out nuclear facilities , rishing retaliation by leaving the gov. intact to be capable of giving that order is not sound strategy.
The problem isn't the nuclear facilities, the problem is the leadership of Iran, and without them, the world would indeed be a better place to raise kids in, as hard as it may be to achieve "regime replacement therapy" and eliminate Iran's balistic missile threat to the region from get go.
A gov. should either be willing and capable of eliminating Iran's capacity to make war, or it should rethink going to war.
And if any Israeli official is reading this, they are welcome to come on this blog and challenge my premis of how best to get THAT job done if they like.
By the way, you should think about refraining from attacking people personally for they may end any and all conversations with you. I'm just calling you on your rudeness in general aspects, and hope it gives you something to consider when discussing Foreign policy on this blog.
It's a sure sign that you lost the debate before you got started insulting people, instead of sticking to the issues in a reasonable and non abusive manner.
I'm being nice...just don't get me to the point where I describe your method of debating as being derived from the fact that your mommy and daddy were brother and sister, I don't want to get personal with you on a negative level.
It's like you're asking for it,...and I'm not playing. This goes for what you say to John in Greece or anyone else, best to tone it down a notch.
best,
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John in Canada writes:
"John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is"
I think we have a language barrier John in Greece - what you are asking makes NO sense.
"you never answer just one question, remindimg me of Z school"
Seems that is the nature of this blog on dip note, John In Greece- look at the previous posts on this thread alone- I ask many questions/ I also respond with a view - but does anyone answer? No (Eric is the exception but avoids some of the tough questions).
I posted a few for you. Did You answer - Yes with a stupid question. (laugh)
John in Greece - I think I understand why Greece is so screwed - after reading your comments = it is all very clear now. (laugh)
Its been fun - I ll leave you to your Muppet show.
Eric can make some interesting posts - you can continue to nod yes, yes and gush - WW can put some alternative thought - Zarkov can come on in here and You and Eric can attack his view.
(Laugh)
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
"John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is"
I think we have a language barrier John in Greece - what you are asking makes NO sense.
"you never answer just one question, remindimg me of Z school"
Seems that is the nature of this blog on dip note, John In Greece- look at the previous posts on this thread alone- I ask many questions/ I also respond with a view - but does anyone answer? No (Eric is the exception but avoids some of the tough questions).
I posted a few for you. Did You answer - Yes with a stupid question. (laugh)
John in Greece - I think I understand why Greece is so screwed - after reading your comments = it is all very clear now. (laugh)
Its been fun - I ll leave you to your Muppet show.
Eric can make some interesting posts - you can continue to nod yes, yes and gush - WW can put some alternative thought - Zarkov can come on in here and You and Eric can attack his view.
(Laugh)
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ John in Canada
John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…?
you never answer just one question, remindimg me of Z school
John-an ideological infant
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
@ John in Canada
John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…?
you never answer just one question, remindimg me of Z school
John-an ideological infant
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ John P. in Greece - only an ideological infant speaks in left, right and center. or someone who wants constant conflict.
Some people don't think in these terms, myself included- not many of us around these days.
Me - if you make sense, are a stand up person (does what they say), dont rip me off or attack me (or my family), lie, care about justice - hate corruption - care about life - as they say in toy story - you've got a friend in me.(laugh) Otherwise piss off.
if you dont plan on staying; then dont go at all. You will just spend and lose with that game plan.
We have very few artists left in the world today. Perhaps today's "logic" scares them away.(laugh)
On a funny note - You know I was applauding the American governments use of media - I sent 2 emails to my government - 6- 7 months later they replied. Im wondering if im in the 1800s or something (forgot I sent 1 of the emails). But hay at least they responded - I suppose. But conversing that slow- could you imagine if it was something serious. (laugh)
The right and left of the falls depends on where your orientated - My wife likes directions like this (right and left) - Give me north, south, east and west. Otherwise I'm lost.(laugh)
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
@ John P. in Greece - only an ideological infant speaks in left, right and center. or someone who wants constant conflict.
Some people don't think in these terms, myself included- not many of us around these days.
Me - if you make sense, are a stand up person (does what they say), dont rip me off or attack me (or my family), lie, care about justice - hate corruption - care about life - as they say in toy story - you've got a friend in me.(laugh) Otherwise piss off.
if you dont plan on staying; then dont go at all. You will just spend and lose with that game plan.
We have very few artists left in the world today. Perhaps today's "logic" scares them away.(laugh)
On a funny note - You know I was applauding the American governments use of media - I sent 2 emails to my government - 6- 7 months later they replied. Im wondering if im in the 1800s or something (forgot I sent 1 of the emails). But hay at least they responded - I suppose. But conversing that slow- could you imagine if it was something serious. (laugh)
The right and left of the falls depends on where your orientated - My wife likes directions like this (right and left) - Give me north, south, east and west. Otherwise I'm lost.(laugh)
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John in Canada writes:
"South Korea is a thriving prosperous democracy today because America lead a UN peacekeeping mission in 1950."
South Korea has been technically at war since. The north managed somehow to get Nukes. The north has a million man army that would fight to the death - the south has got fat on luxury. North Korea is a convenient friend of China (also a large army). Very messy situation if it turned hostile.
Not sure i would call that a success Eric - more like failure compounded.
"Iraq is on its way to becoming a thriving democracy with hopes for a bright economic future now that Saddam is gone"
Saddam was an @ss. Should have dealt with him in the first war. if memory serves me correct the Iraqis were encouraged to rise up in 1991 with promised support from America - they did and were slaughtered. Seems to me Iraq has considerable issues at the moment - issues if you understood their history were foreseeable.(not easy to address with simple logic) Iraq will take a long time to stabilize.
Given Saddam was an @ss - he also hated religious fundamentalists. How much fundamentalism is now in Iraq? What does the average Iraqi think about the future?
"The nations of the Balkans are set to join the EU after many years, due to genocidal maniacs being taken out of power."
Welcome to feudal Europe and given the right circumstance they will kill each other all over again (not just in the Balkans). problem delayed not averted.
You see Eric, in Europe the bombs stopped falling but that does not mean that the ideology behind WW2 died. It lives still to this day. The Nazis were effective because they had considerable support - very crafty evil bastards that dont just give up.
Tell you what if Europe collapses into chaos again and north Americans are called to die and bleed on that continent (they piss on the memorials over there) - we keep the land permanently and kill those that object (im serious - perhaps the fear of that would keep them in line more than the euro).
"Lybia is free of Ghaddafi, and the people rejoced. Now they have a nation to build in their own image."
i hope this is so but considerable dynamics are at play. Ghaddafi was an @ss that should have been dealt with years ago 9to bad the missile on the tent missed) - instead friends did deals him - i think some Canadians tried to help this family flee. (the lovely world of nonsense)
Afghanistan - free for the Taliban freaks to come back?
Bin Laden is dead - a payment of gold, silver and land - access to a small amount of technology/information that America has or could get - and 60 men and women - in 6 months - I would have served his head on a platter and given you his henchmen for free. For extra I might have shrunk his head, so you could display it. (laugh) Forget the war on terrorism BS of the past decade. But congratulations on that one. How is the Pakistani doctor that helped you? Dead or alive is he?
This is what I mean when I say knowing when to fight and how to fight is criticle. Its not that I disagree with your goals (question the motives sometimes) But more about how you go about achieving them.
The Roman empire didn't let rinky dinky countries and BS ragtags shape their policy (they told them how things were going to be, and things were) -- America has let policy to be shaped by interests like AQ and other half wits -- that's not super power or smart power -- that weakness.
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
"South Korea is a thriving prosperous democracy today because America lead a UN peacekeeping mission in 1950."
South Korea has been technically at war since. The north managed somehow to get Nukes. The north has a million man army that would fight to the death - the south has got fat on luxury. North Korea is a convenient friend of China (also a large army). Very messy situation if it turned hostile.
Not sure i would call that a success Eric - more like failure compounded.
"Iraq is on its way to becoming a thriving democracy with hopes for a bright economic future now that Saddam is gone"
Saddam was an @ss. Should have dealt with him in the first war. if memory serves me correct the Iraqis were encouraged to rise up in 1991 with promised support from America - they did and were slaughtered. Seems to me Iraq has considerable issues at the moment - issues if you understood their history were foreseeable.(not easy to address with simple logic) Iraq will take a long time to stabilize.
Given Saddam was an @ss - he also hated religious fundamentalists. How much fundamentalism is now in Iraq? What does the average Iraqi think about the future?
"The nations of the Balkans are set to join the EU after many years, due to genocidal maniacs being taken out of power."
Welcome to feudal Europe and given the right circumstance they will kill each other all over again (not just in the Balkans). problem delayed not averted.
You see Eric, in Europe the bombs stopped falling but that does not mean that the ideology behind WW2 died. It lives still to this day. The Nazis were effective because they had considerable support - very crafty evil bastards that dont just give up.
Tell you what if Europe collapses into chaos again and north Americans are called to die and bleed on that continent (they piss on the memorials over there) - we keep the land permanently and kill those that object (im serious - perhaps the fear of that would keep them in line more than the euro).
"Lybia is free of Ghaddafi, and the people rejoced. Now they have a nation to build in their own image."
i hope this is so but considerable dynamics are at play. Ghaddafi was an @ss that should have been dealt with years ago 9to bad the missile on the tent missed) - instead friends did deals him - i think some Canadians tried to help this family flee. (the lovely world of nonsense)
Afghanistan - free for the Taliban freaks to come back?
Bin Laden is dead - a payment of gold, silver and land - access to a small amount of technology/information that America has or could get - and 60 men and women - in 6 months - I would have served his head on a platter and given you his henchmen for free. For extra I might have shrunk his head, so you could display it. (laugh) Forget the war on terrorism BS of the past decade. But congratulations on that one. How is the Pakistani doctor that helped you? Dead or alive is he?
This is what I mean when I say knowing when to fight and how to fight is criticle. Its not that I disagree with your goals (question the motives sometimes) But more about how you go about achieving them.
The Roman empire didn't let rinky dinky countries and BS ragtags shape their policy (they told them how things were going to be, and things were) -- America has let policy to be shaped by interests like AQ and other half wits -- that's not super power or smart power -- that weakness.
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ John in Canada,
I’ll make some remarks for your Niagara waters,
Wherever Americans went somewhere, DID NOT “stays” there…
God Bush (the “old” one if you don’t mind for the word old,...but you fetch it on table- some of us love him) saved Iraq.
America did not stay there.
And here my argument begins… we did not stay in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan etc.
John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…?
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
@ John in Canada,
I’ll make some remarks for your Niagara waters,
Wherever Americans went somewhere, DID NOT “stays” there…
God Bush (the “old” one if you don’t mind for the word old,...but you fetch it on table- some of us love him) saved Iraq.
America did not stay there.
And here my argument begins… we did not stay in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan etc.
John Canadian, where the right or left side of Niagara Fall is…?
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
"I dont think you quite follow me Eric. Since WW2 tell me how "kinetic intervention" has helped?"
South Korea is a thriving prosperous democracy today because America lead a UN peacekeeping mission in 1950.
Iraq is on its way to becoming a thriving democracy with hopes for a bright economic future now that Saddam is gone.
The nations of the Balkans are set to join the EU after many years, due to genocidal maniacs being taken out of power.
Lybia is free of Ghaddafi, and the people rejoced. Now they have a nation to build in their own image.
Afghanistan is poised to take total soverighn control of its territory with a little help from its friends in ISAF.
Bin Laden is dead.
Want me to go on?
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
"I dont think you quite follow me Eric. Since WW2 tell me how "kinetic intervention" has helped?"
South Korea is a thriving prosperous democracy today because America lead a UN peacekeeping mission in 1950.
Iraq is on its way to becoming a thriving democracy with hopes for a bright economic future now that Saddam is gone.
The nations of the Balkans are set to join the EU after many years, due to genocidal maniacs being taken out of power.
Lybia is free of Ghaddafi, and the people rejoced. Now they have a nation to build in their own image.
Afghanistan is poised to take total soverighn control of its territory with a little help from its friends in ISAF.
Bin Laden is dead.
Want me to go on?
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ John P in Greece -- "Logic" (laugh) What you call logic is simple minded.
What you call logic has been done before (people have been thinking like you guys from before America was America -not very modern).
And failed repeatedly -Dont you think its time for a new game plan - Or have the policy makers that cry innovation not able to innovate their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to policy?
What you call logic is the same tired way. What has it gained?
What you call logic is devoid of common sense.
I think something should have been done long ago about many issues. But it seems very few have any foresight to "think" not with just "logic" but some "common sense".
If America was on the receiving end of policies you guys champion - you would freak - seems America has forgotten the "Golden Rule" but expects others to respond in a fashion America would never accept (very logical.)
America complains about fundamentalists in the mid east. Terror alerts, strip searching grannies - paranoia overload.
Look, the British have dealt with terror for decades and to their credit they did not lose the plot like America has.
You know if your worried about your house burning down - just burn it down yourself and then you dont need to worry anymore- very logical wouldn't you agree? (laugh)
American money has funded some of the worst fundamentalist (and still does) in the region creating very logically other forms of counter fundamentalists.(very foreseeable - and by the way, while you think they(fundamentalists) provide benefit - they use your country at a cost to your own people but you worry about Russian emps and china but dont see how America threatens America with stupid policy.)
The west is financially hurting but rather inconveniently we depend on oil from this fundamentalist region that we "both" complain about and support at the same time. So lets not play the ethics card.
America complains about the power of China who happens to be a supporter of Iran for Chinas energy needs.
America places embargos on Iran - but we all know chinas "is" going to deal, while the west gets screwed at a time they cant afford it.
All very moral/logical to empower those you fear while hurting your own people. Who is the ethical infant?
America scuttles the oil pipeline with Canada. Canada not thinking ahead has no plan "B" - Now goes to China for business.
Essentially American policy has created a situation that has secured or empowered China (viewed as a threat) While at the same time weakening western interests. How very logical and ethical.(laugh)
Now, while the world condemns China and Russia for using veto at the UN - Canada is off doing free trade deals and energy deals with China because we cant deal with our friends. All Because of Canada's unethical oil (laugh). So America/Europe will keep supporting the Wahhabi freaks around the world with oil money.(very logical - not)
Dude whatever logic America is subscribing to these days and you and Eric seem to champion - its a losing game. How far will America fall before you collectively wake up?
Same game + past performance = very predictable results.(or is this too logical to comprehend?)
I'm not sure I would call it logic - Epic stupidity but certainly not logic nor common sense.
Long ago one of your founding fathers warned that America will not be destroyed from outside but from within - Its playing out in front of you at this very moment.(guess what mindsets like you guys are doing it -100%)
Oh, ask the soldiers that went to fight in Afghanistan and their families if they think American policy was a success and worth their sacrifice - when the bloody Wahhabi Taliban move back in. (how very logical and moral)
Do you guys provide tin foil hats at the border for visitors by the way? (laugh)
Then again with some of the laws you guys have now -- a visitor might just disappear because of some paranoid, deluded bureaucrat that has not stepped out of their office in decades and reads 1940s military doctrine. (life is just so scary - so kill it - so very logical)
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
@ John P in Greece -- "Logic" (laugh) What you call logic is simple minded.
What you call logic has been done before (people have been thinking like you guys from before America was America -not very modern).
And failed repeatedly -Dont you think its time for a new game plan - Or have the policy makers that cry innovation not able to innovate their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to policy?
What you call logic is the same tired way. What has it gained?
What you call logic is devoid of common sense.
I think something should have been done long ago about many issues. But it seems very few have any foresight to "think" not with just "logic" but some "common sense".
If America was on the receiving end of policies you guys champion - you would freak - seems America has forgotten the "Golden Rule" but expects others to respond in a fashion America would never accept (very logical.)
America complains about fundamentalists in the mid east. Terror alerts, strip searching grannies - paranoia overload.
Look, the British have dealt with terror for decades and to their credit they did not lose the plot like America has.
You know if your worried about your house burning down - just burn it down yourself and then you dont need to worry anymore- very logical wouldn't you agree? (laugh)
American money has funded some of the worst fundamentalist (and still does) in the region creating very logically other forms of counter fundamentalists.(very foreseeable - and by the way, while you think they(fundamentalists) provide benefit - they use your country at a cost to your own people but you worry about Russian emps and china but dont see how America threatens America with stupid policy.)
The west is financially hurting but rather inconveniently we depend on oil from this fundamentalist region that we "both" complain about and support at the same time. So lets not play the ethics card.
America complains about the power of China who happens to be a supporter of Iran for Chinas energy needs.
America places embargos on Iran - but we all know chinas "is" going to deal, while the west gets screwed at a time they cant afford it.
All very moral/logical to empower those you fear while hurting your own people. Who is the ethical infant?
America scuttles the oil pipeline with Canada. Canada not thinking ahead has no plan "B" - Now goes to China for business.
Essentially American policy has created a situation that has secured or empowered China (viewed as a threat) While at the same time weakening western interests. How very logical and ethical.(laugh)
Now, while the world condemns China and Russia for using veto at the UN - Canada is off doing free trade deals and energy deals with China because we cant deal with our friends. All Because of Canada's unethical oil (laugh). So America/Europe will keep supporting the Wahhabi freaks around the world with oil money.(very logical - not)
Dude whatever logic America is subscribing to these days and you and Eric seem to champion - its a losing game. How far will America fall before you collectively wake up?
Same game + past performance = very predictable results.(or is this too logical to comprehend?)
I'm not sure I would call it logic - Epic stupidity but certainly not logic nor common sense.
Long ago one of your founding fathers warned that America will not be destroyed from outside but from within - Its playing out in front of you at this very moment.(guess what mindsets like you guys are doing it -100%)
Oh, ask the soldiers that went to fight in Afghanistan and their families if they think American policy was a success and worth their sacrifice - when the bloody Wahhabi Taliban move back in. (how very logical and moral)
Do you guys provide tin foil hats at the border for visitors by the way? (laugh)
Then again with some of the laws you guys have now -- a visitor might just disappear because of some paranoid, deluded bureaucrat that has not stepped out of their office in decades and reads 1940s military doctrine. (life is just so scary - so kill it - so very logical)
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
If you don't do your homework and take a gaze at the suggested reading material then you will come to a misunderstanding of my intent just about 90% of the time.
War is an inevitable function of an ethical infant, combined with his political stupidity and ill intent.
It only takes one to start a war, no matter how much any democracy may seek to prevent this from occuring diplomaticly.
First off, I'm not Dipnote's resident war monger so don't try and get cute and put words in my mouth.
You want to trash talk America, then claim you arn't of the opinioon it is "all our fault" in general terms - (not your quote, just a summation of all your basis of complaint.)
The reason I've suggested policy be put "under review" is basicly so folks can determine what additional measures might be employed to better achieve the goals of policy, and failing diplomatic efforts to achieve them, to determine if physical action needs to be undertaken to end the threats to regional and global stability posed by Iran, Syria, and their connections to North Korea.
You can cite all the reasons for not taking the last option off the table, but you shouldn't be thinking I'm in a rush to bomb someone into the stone age, that's just reading a bit too much into what I've said.
(although with Assad shelling Homs and making folks there homeless, if the US were to make Assad homeless with a couple well placed bombs on his palace, that would send a pretty strong message to "get out of town, get busted, or get buried"...)
And I'm sure my government will weigh the pro's and cons' of doing so before the order's given.
But if you like myself see the trend sliding inexorable towards US led military intervention in either case, (Syria or Iran, or both at once) then you should read what I've said with a certain undertanding that I'm trying to offer my gov. some perspective, and hope they'll find a few creative options before the last one gets taken off the table.
Gone are the days the Syrian opposition had hope of engaging in "regime replacement therapy" via peaceful protest without outside help or intervention, now they a flat pleading for anyone to come help them, regardless of the nature of the intervention from the comunity of concerned democracies, even if that be armed intervention.
It is too much to expect a people being slaughtered in protests to remain peaceful, and I did warn folks last year on this blog that Syria would slip into a protracted civil war if no one was willing to use force to remove Assad.
When you take that option off the table, it gives dictators a "green light" to run roughshod over the people.
Russia will not oppose the collective will of nations and put itself physicly between a coalition of the willing and actively defend Assad's regime on the battlefield. He's just not worth the trouble.
Diplomaticly, they'll bitch and moan till they are blue in the face, but that's as far as they'll take it once folks decide to intervene militarily in Syria.
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
@ John in Canada,
If you don't do your homework and take a gaze at the suggested reading material then you will come to a misunderstanding of my intent just about 90% of the time.
War is an inevitable function of an ethical infant, combined with his political stupidity and ill intent.
It only takes one to start a war, no matter how much any democracy may seek to prevent this from occuring diplomaticly.
First off, I'm not Dipnote's resident war monger so don't try and get cute and put words in my mouth.
You want to trash talk America, then claim you arn't of the opinioon it is "all our fault" in general terms - (not your quote, just a summation of all your basis of complaint.)
The reason I've suggested policy be put "under review" is basicly so folks can determine what additional measures might be employed to better achieve the goals of policy, and failing diplomatic efforts to achieve them, to determine if physical action needs to be undertaken to end the threats to regional and global stability posed by Iran, Syria, and their connections to North Korea.
You can cite all the reasons for not taking the last option off the table, but you shouldn't be thinking I'm in a rush to bomb someone into the stone age, that's just reading a bit too much into what I've said.
(although with Assad shelling Homs and making folks there homeless, if the US were to make Assad homeless with a couple well placed bombs on his palace, that would send a pretty strong message to "get out of town, get busted, or get buried"...)
And I'm sure my government will weigh the pro's and cons' of doing so before the order's given.
But if you like myself see the trend sliding inexorable towards US led military intervention in either case, (Syria or Iran, or both at once) then you should read what I've said with a certain undertanding that I'm trying to offer my gov. some perspective, and hope they'll find a few creative options before the last one gets taken off the table.
Gone are the days the Syrian opposition had hope of engaging in "regime replacement therapy" via peaceful protest without outside help or intervention, now they a flat pleading for anyone to come help them, regardless of the nature of the intervention from the comunity of concerned democracies, even if that be armed intervention.
It is too much to expect a people being slaughtered in protests to remain peaceful, and I did warn folks last year on this blog that Syria would slip into a protracted civil war if no one was willing to use force to remove Assad.
When you take that option off the table, it gives dictators a "green light" to run roughshod over the people.
Russia will not oppose the collective will of nations and put itself physicly between a coalition of the willing and actively defend Assad's regime on the battlefield. He's just not worth the trouble.
Diplomaticly, they'll bitch and moan till they are blue in the face, but that's as far as they'll take it once folks decide to intervene militarily in Syria.
EJ
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
QUOTE: While you may feel it is in my nation's best interests to do no harm, and thus never use the kinetic option on the table (i.e.; war, military intervention, the use of force etc.)END OF QUOTE
EJ, I think that you put it in the right dimension. Before we proceed to “102 step”, we shall first decide about “101”. What I mean is that some contributors on this issue consider as prerequisite the term “war against Iran”, while the question should begin just simply as this:
Do you agree that the U.S. and western allies must do something about the nightmare in Iran? (Same question about Syria)
I wouldn’t necessarily call it a “war”. I’d use the term “reaction”. Call it war, military intervention, the use of force, surgery attacks, Intelligence measures, supporting people with various means in their efforts to meet
Freedom, whatever…
If someone says NO, I personally think that there is a huge gap between the two views and I strongly disagree with the “NO take action” thesis.
If someone says YES, accepting the logical argument that U.S. is obliged to prove its role as a hyper power that helps nations, people and Democracy around the globe, then we could discuss about “102 step”, which I believe that it should better be left on the decision making persons who know the job far more better than us: The President and his Advisors, The Pentagon, Intelligence etc.; people who can wisely decide about the form of reaction.
I use the term reaction, because we did not start the fire. They started the action and threats against us and we got somehow to react!
If we don’t, very soon U.S.A. won’t be respected as hyper power, China and Russia and why not someone-new will get the ring and then we will for sure have to “react”. But then everything will be more expensive and dangerous.
So I don’t know John in Canada if “War with Iran would prove devastating for America. But don't take my word for it - go to war and see for yourself”, I am not the one to decide the form of reaction, but I am sure that we will have to do it, either now or later.
But first of all, we have to choose a strategic path; is it a No, or a YES?
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
QUOTE: While you may feel it is in my nation's best interests to do no harm, and thus never use the kinetic option on the table (i.e.; war, military intervention, the use of force etc.)END OF QUOTE
EJ, I think that you put it in the right dimension. Before we proceed to “102 step”, we shall first decide about “101”. What I mean is that some contributors on this issue consider as prerequisite the term “war against Iran”, while the question should begin just simply as this:
Do you agree that the U.S. and western allies must do something about the nightmare in Iran? (Same question about Syria)
I wouldn’t necessarily call it a “war”. I’d use the term “reaction”. Call it war, military intervention, the use of force, surgery attacks, Intelligence measures, supporting people with various means in their efforts to meet
Freedom, whatever…
If someone says NO, I personally think that there is a huge gap between the two views and I strongly disagree with the “NO take action” thesis.
If someone says YES, accepting the logical argument that U.S. is obliged to prove its role as a hyper power that helps nations, people and Democracy around the globe, then we could discuss about “102 step”, which I believe that it should better be left on the decision making persons who know the job far more better than us: The President and his Advisors, The Pentagon, Intelligence etc.; people who can wisely decide about the form of reaction.
I use the term reaction, because we did not start the fire. They started the action and threats against us and we got somehow to react!
If we don’t, very soon U.S.A. won’t be respected as hyper power, China and Russia and why not someone-new will get the ring and then we will for sure have to “react”. But then everything will be more expensive and dangerous.
So I don’t know John in Canada if “War with Iran would prove devastating for America. But don't take my word for it - go to war and see for yourself”, I am not the one to decide the form of reaction, but I am sure that we will have to do it, either now or later.
But first of all, we have to choose a strategic path; is it a No, or a YES?
Posted on Thu Feb 09, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ ww
Russia sells arms to Syria - syria commits human rights violation.
America sells Saudi Arabia arms - Saudi Arabia treats women like trash - stones people for witchcraft - How many Saudis were involved in 9/11. Saudi = Wahhabi fundamentalists.
Britain did deals with that snake from Libya a terrorist that killed Americans but then attacked libya.
on and on you can write about this.
You think perhaps -Russia and China don't care what the west is saying - because we do the same crap. Our not so biased media is just not reporting it. Bad for business.
Welcome to the world of international hypocrites -we stand together and smile for the cameras, we meet for drinks and make deals but the minute the back is turned - friend or foe means nothing. I think if you saw the backside on every internationally active politician - you would see a dozen daggers. Perhaps that is whats behind the fake smiles and awkward body language.
All sides play the same way, in some way - somewhere.
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
@ ww
Russia sells arms to Syria - syria commits human rights violation.
America sells Saudi Arabia arms - Saudi Arabia treats women like trash - stones people for witchcraft - How many Saudis were involved in 9/11. Saudi = Wahhabi fundamentalists.
Britain did deals with that snake from Libya a terrorist that killed Americans but then attacked libya.
on and on you can write about this.
You think perhaps -Russia and China don't care what the west is saying - because we do the same crap. Our not so biased media is just not reporting it. Bad for business.
Welcome to the world of international hypocrites -we stand together and smile for the cameras, we meet for drinks and make deals but the minute the back is turned - friend or foe means nothing. I think if you saw the backside on every internationally active politician - you would see a dozen daggers. Perhaps that is whats behind the fake smiles and awkward body language.
All sides play the same way, in some way - somewhere.
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ Eric
"While you may feel it is in my nation's best interests to do no harm, and thus never use the kinetic option on the table (ie; war, military intervention, the use of force etc. )"
I dont think you quite follow me Eric. Since WW2 tell me how "kinetic intervention" has helped?
Like I said Eric - nation nor Empires go to war to leave their home in worse shape then before war. Non. Has America achieved financial benefit? No. has Americans gained more freedom? No. Has America even managed to gain the moral support or even the hearts and minds of people around the world? No. Given the draconian methods of fear policies and the constant threat that some in America believe they are under - I think not. If you won at least hearts and minds America should have at least gained America more security not less. Military response in Afghanistan will likely in the end see the return of the Taliban. Success? No.
Knowing when, who and where to fight is critical.
"To do nothing in the face of crimes against humanity being committed by tyrants IS to do harm to America's credibility and partnerships globally, for it is the act of saving lives that a kinetic approach may protect populations when diplomacy has failed to do so. As we see today in Syria."
Crimes against humanity and doing nothing? Are you serious Eric.Im not even going to dignify this with a response. I really hope what you say about America is the new direction for America. America has supported some very bad human rights violators (still does) Your partners the British were doing deals with the desert rat from Libya - just prior to attacking. Don't take it personally because I dont think any country honors human rights - they talk a good talk when its convenient but when its not -the excuses fly.
"Or to say that "it's all our fault" for a failure of diplomnacy"
I never stated this - perhaps that is your perception of a comment but not what I said at all. Clearly we are talking over each others heads. Perception is everything Eric.
"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants, we know more about war than we do about peace, more about killing than about living.
Sadly very true Eric. Now as it has been for thousands of years. Its why I would champion thinking in a different manner and perhaps we might just see something different happen.
But make no mistake the greatest ethical infants are those that think a bullet/ bomb can solve all problems. It is a method of last resort. I think policy makers owe this to the men and women that fight and their families at the very least. otherwise they haven't the integrity or respect for life to send a single soul to war.
You want to know Eric how you change the behavior of other governments - its simple.
In a race you don't stop to look at the other persons shoes, you don't run looking over your shoulder. You plant your eyes on the horizon and run like you never have run before. Imagine if a country said enough of the BS from all the 2 bit garbage - made a plan - work the plan and ran so fast for the right kind of future that other countries would look; and have no choice but to drop all BS and start running. If America wishes a leadership role then take, make it, own it or get out of the way.
If America wants to tie her self to every 2 bit crap from every country in the world friend or foe. Get into quagmires that are not in the interest of anyone with any sense- your not going to succeed at anything other than second best -America will be a bull wagged by the tail of every backward nation. She will be bled dry slowly.
That is not leadership. Change at home would do more than you can possibly appreciate Eric and given what America used to be known for the change should be easy - unless of course what your country was built on was rhetoric or hot air; a lie. I don't believe it but that is what America has become in many ways.
America has let other nations define and hog tie her into the position she is in today friend and foe.
You cant expect the world to change around you and not change; without knowing you are going to be left behind.
If any country wants a new future it is necessary to let some old things go; especially the things that don't work anymore.
Countries remind me of the very old, stuck in ways they dont know how to change. That is when nations fall apart. This is what happens in every country - look at the mid east.
Iran,Russia, China, Israel - every country will face the same dilemma. Why? because thats what has always been done (laugh).
Think America can buck a trend of thousands of years? I hope so.
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
@ Eric
"While you may feel it is in my nation's best interests to do no harm, and thus never use the kinetic option on the table (ie; war, military intervention, the use of force etc. )"
I dont think you quite follow me Eric. Since WW2 tell me how "kinetic intervention" has helped?
Like I said Eric - nation nor Empires go to war to leave their home in worse shape then before war. Non. Has America achieved financial benefit? No. has Americans gained more freedom? No. Has America even managed to gain the moral support or even the hearts and minds of people around the world? No. Given the draconian methods of fear policies and the constant threat that some in America believe they are under - I think not. If you won at least hearts and minds America should have at least gained America more security not less. Military response in Afghanistan will likely in the end see the return of the Taliban. Success? No.
Knowing when, who and where to fight is critical.
"To do nothing in the face of crimes against humanity being committed by tyrants IS to do harm to America's credibility and partnerships globally, for it is the act of saving lives that a kinetic approach may protect populations when diplomacy has failed to do so. As we see today in Syria."
Crimes against humanity and doing nothing? Are you serious Eric.Im not even going to dignify this with a response. I really hope what you say about America is the new direction for America. America has supported some very bad human rights violators (still does) Your partners the British were doing deals with the desert rat from Libya - just prior to attacking. Don't take it personally because I dont think any country honors human rights - they talk a good talk when its convenient but when its not -the excuses fly.
"Or to say that "it's all our fault" for a failure of diplomnacy"
I never stated this - perhaps that is your perception of a comment but not what I said at all. Clearly we are talking over each others heads. Perception is everything Eric.
"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants, we know more about war than we do about peace, more about killing than about living.
Sadly very true Eric. Now as it has been for thousands of years. Its why I would champion thinking in a different manner and perhaps we might just see something different happen.
But make no mistake the greatest ethical infants are those that think a bullet/ bomb can solve all problems. It is a method of last resort. I think policy makers owe this to the men and women that fight and their families at the very least. otherwise they haven't the integrity or respect for life to send a single soul to war.
You want to know Eric how you change the behavior of other governments - its simple.
In a race you don't stop to look at the other persons shoes, you don't run looking over your shoulder. You plant your eyes on the horizon and run like you never have run before. Imagine if a country said enough of the BS from all the 2 bit garbage - made a plan - work the plan and ran so fast for the right kind of future that other countries would look; and have no choice but to drop all BS and start running. If America wishes a leadership role then take, make it, own it or get out of the way.
If America wants to tie her self to every 2 bit crap from every country in the world friend or foe. Get into quagmires that are not in the interest of anyone with any sense- your not going to succeed at anything other than second best -America will be a bull wagged by the tail of every backward nation. She will be bled dry slowly.
That is not leadership. Change at home would do more than you can possibly appreciate Eric and given what America used to be known for the change should be easy - unless of course what your country was built on was rhetoric or hot air; a lie. I don't believe it but that is what America has become in many ways.
America has let other nations define and hog tie her into the position she is in today friend and foe.
You cant expect the world to change around you and not change; without knowing you are going to be left behind.
If any country wants a new future it is necessary to let some old things go; especially the things that don't work anymore.
Countries remind me of the very old, stuck in ways they dont know how to change. That is when nations fall apart. This is what happens in every country - look at the mid east.
Iran,Russia, China, Israel - every country will face the same dilemma. Why? because thats what has always been done (laugh).
Think America can buck a trend of thousands of years? I hope so.
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
Maureen in Massachusetts writes:
Could nations concerned aspire to secure medical and food drops for these suffering citizens -- can we agree on that, everyone?
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
Could nations concerned aspire to secure medical and food drops for these suffering citizens -- can we agree on that, everyone?
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
W.W. writes:
UN has lost legitimacy UN security council has failed its mission
Veto power used not to protect human lives but to keep selling arms to assad regime :
Mr Lavrov described his visit and the public commitments made during it by President Assad. The Foreign Secretary told Mr Lavrov that the UK was appalled by the continued violence, in particular in Homs.
The UK wanted an end to violence from all sides in Syria. We continued to believe that President Assad should stand down. We were not contemplating military intervention. We were in close contact with the Arab League on the way forward: their proposals for dialogue between the Syrian Government and the Opposition offered the best chance for peace. We looked forward to the outcome of their meeting at the weekend.
The Foreign Secretary raised reports that Russia was selling arms to the Syrian regime. Mr Lavrov said that such sales were not illegal.
The Foreign Secretary said that despite our disagreement over the UNSC Resolution on Syria, we would remain in contact in the search for a solution to the current crisis.
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
UN has lost legitimacy UN security council has failed its mission
Veto power used not to protect human lives but to keep selling arms to assad regime :
Mr Lavrov described his visit and the public commitments made during it by President Assad. The Foreign Secretary told Mr Lavrov that the UK was appalled by the continued violence, in particular in Homs.
The UK wanted an end to violence from all sides in Syria. We continued to believe that President Assad should stand down. We were not contemplating military intervention. We were in close contact with the Arab League on the way forward: their proposals for dialogue between the Syrian Government and the Opposition offered the best chance for peace. We looked forward to the outcome of their meeting at the weekend.
The Foreign Secretary raised reports that Russia was selling arms to the Syrian regime. Mr Lavrov said that such sales were not illegal.
The Foreign Secretary said that despite our disagreement over the UNSC Resolution on Syria, we would remain in contact in the search for a solution to the current crisis.
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
Oh my! Sorry about all the "typos" in my last post folks,...now that I've got one good eye propped open with a toothpick this morning trying to type something ledgible, my bad...(chuckle).
(Unless that last post simply proves I can still think when only half awake and yet still can't spell my way out of a paper bag.)
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
Oh my! Sorry about all the "typos" in my last post folks,...now that I've got one good eye propped open with a toothpick this morning trying to type something ledgible, my bad...(chuckle).
(Unless that last post simply proves I can still think when only half awake and yet still can't spell my way out of a paper bag.)
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
While you may feel it is in my nation's best interests to do no harm, and thus never use the kinetic option on the table (ie; war, military intervention, the use of force etc. )
To do nothing in the face of crimes against humanity being committed by tyrants IS to do harm to America's credibility and partnerships globally, for it is the act of saving lives that a kinetic approach may protect populations when diplomacy has failed to do so. As we see today in Syria.
Or to say that "it's all our fault" for a failure of diplomnacy, understand that the "tag team" I was refering to was the comings and goings of foreign policy makers on the world stage, and a certain observable consistance and patience excercized by multiple US administrations in dealing with ethical infants.
The underpinnings of the philosophy and intent that have evolved over the years can be found in "a very long letter" signed "X" that oulined a "containment" policy to deal with the Soviet Union, and Gen. Omar Bradly's 1948 Armistic Day speech.
Which posed inspiration for the premis of the following question;
'http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/ask/69001.htm'
Eric from Sante Fe, New Mexico writes:
Dear Under Secretary Joseph,
General Omar Bradley once said, \"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants, we know more about war than we do about peace, more about killing than about living.\"
Mine is a philosophical question:
At what point does the international community determine that the ethical infant’s diapers need changing, as the smell of ill intent has become all too overwhelming and noxious to Humanity? Or will ethical infants like the leaders of Iran and North Korea be allowed to remain in power to "dump" on civilization at a time of their choosing?
I’ve noted that the diplomatic attempts at "behavior change" have only resulted in temper-tantrums, at the expense of global peace and security. But as my granddad worked with Oppenhiemer on the Manhattan project, and these issues are thus quite personal to me, I’d like to personally thank everyone involved globally seeking solutions to these problems, as well as the building of consensus among nations to address these issues in concrete terms.
Under Secretary Joseph:
"As in Omar Bradley’s time, the United States continues to offer the world ethical leadership, dedicated to partnerships that lead to lasting international peace and security, as well as to the development of democratic governments and the rule of law. The Global Initiative to Combat Nuclear Terrorism will build on Secretary Rice’s vision of transformational diplomacy by building consensus among partner nations regarding our most serious international security threat, and galvanize them to take concrete and sustained steps to defeat it."
---
John in Greece,
Ruddia is like a self-serving friend that you hesitate to invite to a social get-together due to his tendancy to be "mr. negative" and shoot himself in the foot in social settings, one toe at a time.
Their instant karma has become a diplomatic train-wreck thereby.
It's not like Lavrov has been taking anyone's sound advice, least of all mine posted on the pages of Dipnote over the past year...but then I did wonder whether he was "as dumb as a box of rocks" for pretty fair reason, and he's probably miffed about that being published here- on top of everything else he's has to hear from folks.
It's not like I haven't tried to reason with him...(chuckle).
EJ
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
@ John in Canada,
While you may feel it is in my nation's best interests to do no harm, and thus never use the kinetic option on the table (ie; war, military intervention, the use of force etc. )
To do nothing in the face of crimes against humanity being committed by tyrants IS to do harm to America's credibility and partnerships globally, for it is the act of saving lives that a kinetic approach may protect populations when diplomacy has failed to do so. As we see today in Syria.
Or to say that "it's all our fault" for a failure of diplomnacy, understand that the "tag team" I was refering to was the comings and goings of foreign policy makers on the world stage, and a certain observable consistance and patience excercized by multiple US administrations in dealing with ethical infants.
The underpinnings of the philosophy and intent that have evolved over the years can be found in "a very long letter" signed "X" that oulined a "containment" policy to deal with the Soviet Union, and Gen. Omar Bradly's 1948 Armistic Day speech.
Which posed inspiration for the premis of the following question;
'http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/ask/69001.htm'
Eric from Sante Fe, New Mexico writes:
Dear Under Secretary Joseph,
General Omar Bradley once said, \"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants, we know more about war than we do about peace, more about killing than about living.\"
Mine is a philosophical question:
At what point does the international community determine that the ethical infant’s diapers need changing, as the smell of ill intent has become all too overwhelming and noxious to Humanity? Or will ethical infants like the leaders of Iran and North Korea be allowed to remain in power to "dump" on civilization at a time of their choosing?
I’ve noted that the diplomatic attempts at "behavior change" have only resulted in temper-tantrums, at the expense of global peace and security. But as my granddad worked with Oppenhiemer on the Manhattan project, and these issues are thus quite personal to me, I’d like to personally thank everyone involved globally seeking solutions to these problems, as well as the building of consensus among nations to address these issues in concrete terms.
Under Secretary Joseph:
"As in Omar Bradley’s time, the United States continues to offer the world ethical leadership, dedicated to partnerships that lead to lasting international peace and security, as well as to the development of democratic governments and the rule of law. The Global Initiative to Combat Nuclear Terrorism will build on Secretary Rice’s vision of transformational diplomacy by building consensus among partner nations regarding our most serious international security threat, and galvanize them to take concrete and sustained steps to defeat it."
---
John in Greece,
Ruddia is like a self-serving friend that you hesitate to invite to a social get-together due to his tendancy to be "mr. negative" and shoot himself in the foot in social settings, one toe at a time.
Their instant karma has become a diplomatic train-wreck thereby.
It's not like Lavrov has been taking anyone's sound advice, least of all mine posted on the pages of Dipnote over the past year...but then I did wonder whether he was "as dumb as a box of rocks" for pretty fair reason, and he's probably miffed about that being published here- on top of everything else he's has to hear from folks.
It's not like I haven't tried to reason with him...(chuckle).
EJ
Posted on Wed Feb 08, 2012
W.W. writes:
I am writing over and over again the same thing as well ... Groundhog + groundhog - : Groundhog = tyranny
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
I am writing over and over again the same thing as well ... Groundhog + groundhog - : Groundhog = tyranny
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ W.W.
QUOTE: Russian concern for European missile defense shield but not for Iranian nuclear activity after Islam has bombed Moscow underground...END OF QUOTE.
Precisely!
I absolutely agree with you W.W.. It’s what Susan in Florida has written in the past: “they (Russians) will never be our real friends”. Especially in this case that they sell nuclear know-how and materials.
For years, I was also writing in the Blog the same thing with Susan about Russia and China, having faced "strange" voices telling me to quit the “old school of thinking”.
But now, once again, real facts prove my fears.
Unfortunately for the ex-Soviet School of thinking “Payment comes in different forms than a paycheck”.
And now it’s my "payday"…
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
@ W.W.
QUOTE: Russian concern for European missile defense shield but not for Iranian nuclear activity after Islam has bombed Moscow underground...END OF QUOTE.
Precisely!
I absolutely agree with you W.W.. It’s what Susan in Florida has written in the past: “they (Russians) will never be our real friends”. Especially in this case that they sell nuclear know-how and materials.
For years, I was also writing in the Blog the same thing with Susan about Russia and China, having faced "strange" voices telling me to quit the “old school of thinking”.
But now, once again, real facts prove my fears.
Unfortunately for the ex-Soviet School of thinking “Payment comes in different forms than a paycheck”.
And now it’s my "payday"…
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
W.W. writes:
Security : peace is a Lyon not a lamb and there are no pact between lyon and men :
UN has lost legitimacy in any matter regarding security along with the Un security council for mainly two reason only corruption in western society and russia and china
Russia and china in front of the Syrian massacre behaved like schettino on costa concordia
@ Russia : You now get back on board and you tell me how many children, women and people in a need there are on that nation
Russia and china are today a threat for international and world peace security for their lack of governance and soviet corruption inside their nation : Russian concern for european missile defense shield but not for iranian nuclear activity after islam has bombed moscow underground...
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
Security : peace is a Lyon not a lamb and there are no pact between lyon and men :
UN has lost legitimacy in any matter regarding security along with the Un security council for mainly two reason only corruption in western society and russia and china
Russia and china in front of the Syrian massacre behaved like schettino on costa concordia
@ Russia : You now get back on board and you tell me how many children, women and people in a need there are on that nation
Russia and china are today a threat for international and world peace security for their lack of governance and soviet corruption inside their nation : Russian concern for european missile defense shield but not for iranian nuclear activity after islam has bombed moscow underground...
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ Eric - you can tag team all you want but your not recognizing the other team your up against - not just Iran.
It wont be short and it wont be simple -
Didn't they think this before going into Iraq?
The art of war Eric sometimes requires patience. The mind can go where bullets cant.
look at WW2 - Do you think Nazi mentality disappeared with the end of war? No - it thrives and possibly could prove dangerous in Europes future.
Forget about the whole terrorist BS. It makes America look weak. It also provides anyone from any group/country to attack America and make it look like something its not. That could prove devastating to America - Imagine how many endless wars America could be roped into until America cant afford nothing and the people are freaking over the quality of their lives - Oh wait it kind of looks like that now.
Never create conditions that even your weakest adversary can use against you.
Things like the patriot act and such provide a playbook for enemies to circumvent what you do and rope your country into being attacked. bet you dont get what I mean. Let me explain suppose i create an application form to root out potential fraudulent applications. What I am doing is providing a path for the serious fraudsters - as long as the right boxes are checked - no questions and fraud takes place.
Sure fire way to have a country kill itself is to make that country believe what is wrong for it, is right. Not a single shot is needed - the country commits suicide on its own. A very old tactic and if you step back from America as an observer and not as a passionate patriot - you might be a little concerned about what you see.
If your country had any wisdom they would attack no country and focus on other areas of life.
Convenient how you don't mention how the west cocked up Iran and set up this regime - so really the problems with this regime are of our own making. Seems the same minds are at work with the same nonsense today. Didnt we train Osama bin Laden?
Whats the art of war say about creating your own misfortune over and over again?
Like I said Eric no country or empire goes to war to bring their country less of what they had before, without being destroyed - NON.
Knowing when to fight is as important as fighting.Knowing when to tell supposed friends to shut up, just as important.
Iran is not what concerns me -they have no capability other than talk - let them talk - its the unintended consequences that pose risk- look at Afghanistan and Iraq - didnt go to plan did it? Well neither would this.
If you want peace Eric - you cant trumpet war and even worse if you attack the wrong people at the wrong time - you create generations of enemies - Bigger empires than America have fallen and fallen hard because they didn't know when to stop.
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
@ Eric - you can tag team all you want but your not recognizing the other team your up against - not just Iran.
It wont be short and it wont be simple -
Didn't they think this before going into Iraq?
The art of war Eric sometimes requires patience. The mind can go where bullets cant.
look at WW2 - Do you think Nazi mentality disappeared with the end of war? No - it thrives and possibly could prove dangerous in Europes future.
Forget about the whole terrorist BS. It makes America look weak. It also provides anyone from any group/country to attack America and make it look like something its not. That could prove devastating to America - Imagine how many endless wars America could be roped into until America cant afford nothing and the people are freaking over the quality of their lives - Oh wait it kind of looks like that now.
Never create conditions that even your weakest adversary can use against you.
Things like the patriot act and such provide a playbook for enemies to circumvent what you do and rope your country into being attacked. bet you dont get what I mean. Let me explain suppose i create an application form to root out potential fraudulent applications. What I am doing is providing a path for the serious fraudsters - as long as the right boxes are checked - no questions and fraud takes place.
Sure fire way to have a country kill itself is to make that country believe what is wrong for it, is right. Not a single shot is needed - the country commits suicide on its own. A very old tactic and if you step back from America as an observer and not as a passionate patriot - you might be a little concerned about what you see.
If your country had any wisdom they would attack no country and focus on other areas of life.
Convenient how you don't mention how the west cocked up Iran and set up this regime - so really the problems with this regime are of our own making. Seems the same minds are at work with the same nonsense today. Didnt we train Osama bin Laden?
Whats the art of war say about creating your own misfortune over and over again?
Like I said Eric no country or empire goes to war to bring their country less of what they had before, without being destroyed - NON.
Knowing when to fight is as important as fighting.Knowing when to tell supposed friends to shut up, just as important.
Iran is not what concerns me -they have no capability other than talk - let them talk - its the unintended consequences that pose risk- look at Afghanistan and Iraq - didnt go to plan did it? Well neither would this.
If you want peace Eric - you cant trumpet war and even worse if you attack the wrong people at the wrong time - you create generations of enemies - Bigger empires than America have fallen and fallen hard because they didn't know when to stop.
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
John in Canada writes:
@ WW - Jewish or not Jewish -
You posted a very long example of a misguided Muslim, You could post endless amounts of this same misguided thought and interpretation from Christian and Jewish sources.
All branches of these faiths have been killing each other (and even those within their own group)) for a very long time.
Is it a surprise to hear this? No. Is it really that shocking? No.
In America a Christian group burned Qur'an s - should all Christians then be viewed as Qur'an burners - NO.
Recently in a Jewish article from Atlanta it was suggested that it is OK to kill a US president to preserve the state of Israel - this is not a new thought - he was brave or stupid enough to pen it - Should we view all Jewish people now as possible assassins of the president? NO - Yet America seems to have no problem continuing support for Israel while some Jewish people hold such treacherous views, yet as an American you accept this?
You pointed out a problem but it is not just a Muslim problem - there is a problem in all three branches - If you look at one group and pretend the same problem does not exist within the other groups - you are just playing pretend or willfully blind.
Why do you think the Holy land has been so brutal, long before America was America. Its not new, its not right but it is there and its roots are older than America.
Calling one group out over another gives legitimacy to the same delinquency that persists in ALL three faiths. That wont fix the problem.
Do you know that Iran has a population of Jewish people? I think about 60000 if I am not mistaken.
Does Israel care for these Jewish people?
Does America or American Jews think how this community might be impacted by the recent activities? Or does Israel think these people are not Jew enough because they remain in Iran? Or does America and Israel view this group of Jews as insignificant and worthless? Get my point.
Dont you find it strange or at least a bit curious why Iran who calls for the destruction of Israel has a Jewish population at all?
I think most Americans don't understand the religious subtlety or context behind what the Iranians say. They say something and others without religious understanding misinterpret. This is not an endorsement of the Iranian view but more to suggest that the folks in government learn the religious subtleties -you may just find an answer or common ground to begin talking. If I am not mistaken Iran has a big beef with Zionism - Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. If you dont understand what is being said - how can you ever come to a solution?
The news does not tell the full truth - it reports news that favors who pays the outlet the most - get your feet on the ground and talk to the actual players and quite a different picture emerges, in most cases it is not what is pumped across the TV screens or Google bubbled to you at your computer.
Interesting read thanks
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
@ WW - Jewish or not Jewish -
You posted a very long example of a misguided Muslim, You could post endless amounts of this same misguided thought and interpretation from Christian and Jewish sources.
All branches of these faiths have been killing each other (and even those within their own group)) for a very long time.
Is it a surprise to hear this? No. Is it really that shocking? No.
In America a Christian group burned Qur'an s - should all Christians then be viewed as Qur'an burners - NO.
Recently in a Jewish article from Atlanta it was suggested that it is OK to kill a US president to preserve the state of Israel - this is not a new thought - he was brave or stupid enough to pen it - Should we view all Jewish people now as possible assassins of the president? NO - Yet America seems to have no problem continuing support for Israel while some Jewish people hold such treacherous views, yet as an American you accept this?
You pointed out a problem but it is not just a Muslim problem - there is a problem in all three branches - If you look at one group and pretend the same problem does not exist within the other groups - you are just playing pretend or willfully blind.
Why do you think the Holy land has been so brutal, long before America was America. Its not new, its not right but it is there and its roots are older than America.
Calling one group out over another gives legitimacy to the same delinquency that persists in ALL three faiths. That wont fix the problem.
Do you know that Iran has a population of Jewish people? I think about 60000 if I am not mistaken.
Does Israel care for these Jewish people?
Does America or American Jews think how this community might be impacted by the recent activities? Or does Israel think these people are not Jew enough because they remain in Iran? Or does America and Israel view this group of Jews as insignificant and worthless? Get my point.
Dont you find it strange or at least a bit curious why Iran who calls for the destruction of Israel has a Jewish population at all?
I think most Americans don't understand the religious subtlety or context behind what the Iranians say. They say something and others without religious understanding misinterpret. This is not an endorsement of the Iranian view but more to suggest that the folks in government learn the religious subtleties -you may just find an answer or common ground to begin talking. If I am not mistaken Iran has a big beef with Zionism - Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. If you dont understand what is being said - how can you ever come to a solution?
The news does not tell the full truth - it reports news that favors who pays the outlet the most - get your feet on the ground and talk to the actual players and quite a different picture emerges, in most cases it is not what is pumped across the TV screens or Google bubbled to you at your computer.
Interesting read thanks
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
W.W. writes:
Jewish or not jewish :
Last week, the principal Palestinian Authority religious leader, the Mufti Muhammad Hussein, presented the killing of Jews by Muslims as a religious Islamic goal. At an event celebrating the 47th anniversary of the founding of Fatah, he cited the Hadith (Islamic tradition attributed to Muhammad) saying that the Hour of Resurrection will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them:
"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"
Palestinian Media Watch reported regularly during the PA terror campaign (Intifada, 2000-2005) on the repeated use of this Hadith by PA clerics on official PA TV to motivate Palestinians to terror attacks, preaching that Muslims had an Islamic obligation to kill Jews. The fact that the Mufti quotes this now indicates that this may have remained part of the PA's religious establishment's teachings, even though it is less frequently promoted on PA TV.
The last time official PA TV broadcast a sermon during which this Hadith calling to kill Jews was quoted was in 2010.
The years of PA promotion of killing Jews and PA religious leaders' citing this Hadith to justify it, may have contributed to the high acceptance of it in PA society. A poll sponsored by the Israel Project last year found that 73% of Palestinians "believe" this Hadith. [July 2011, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner.]
The moderator who introduced the Mufti at the Fatah event last week reiterated another Islamic belief; that the Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs:
"Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs (i.e., Jews) is a war of religion and faith."
The Mufti did not distance himself from this hate statement that Islam is in a religious war with the Jews, but added to it that Islam's goal is to kill Jews.
There are numerous collections of Hadith, some of which are not accepted as reliable. However, the Mufti stressed that the Islamic belief that Jews will be killed by Muslims as a precursor to Resurrection, is an authentic Islamic belief because it appears in "the reliable" and trusted Hadith collections of Al-Bukhari and Muslim.
This Islamic tradition asserts that as the killing of Jews will progress, Jews will hide behind stones and trees, but even they will expose the Jews and call out: "Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." One tree however, called the Gharqad, will hide the Jews from the Muslims. The Mufti in his talk at the Fatah event claimed that in response to this Islamic belief, Israelis have been planting Gharqad trees around their cities and towns, in order to have a place to hide from the Muslims who will be coming to kill them.
This is not the first time the Mufti has incited to hatred against Jews in the name of Islam. In a sermon at the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 2010, he preached that the Jews are the "enemies of Allah."
The Mufti is appointed by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. He voiced this latest hate speech, that Jews are to be killed by Muslims, at an official Fatah celebration. Abbas is also the Chairman of Fatah.
The following is an excerpt from the Fatah ceremony broadcast on PA TV:
Moderator at Fatah ceremony:
"Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs (i.e., Jews) is a war of religion and faith. Long Live Fatah! [I invite you,] our honorable Sheikh."
PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein comes to the podium and says:
"47 years ago the [Fatah] revolution started. Which revolution? The modern revolution of the Palestinian people's history. In fact, Palestine in its entirety is a revolution, since [Caliph] Umar came [to conquer Jerusalem, 637 CE], and continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith (tradition attributed to Muhammad), [found] in the two reliable collections, Bukhari and Muslim, says:
"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'
Except the Gharqad tree [which will keep silent]." Therefore it is no wonder that you see Gharqad [trees] surrounding the [Israeli] settlements and colonies.."
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
Jewish or not jewish :
Last week, the principal Palestinian Authority religious leader, the Mufti Muhammad Hussein, presented the killing of Jews by Muslims as a religious Islamic goal. At an event celebrating the 47th anniversary of the founding of Fatah, he cited the Hadith (Islamic tradition attributed to Muhammad) saying that the Hour of Resurrection will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them:
"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"
Palestinian Media Watch reported regularly during the PA terror campaign (Intifada, 2000-2005) on the repeated use of this Hadith by PA clerics on official PA TV to motivate Palestinians to terror attacks, preaching that Muslims had an Islamic obligation to kill Jews. The fact that the Mufti quotes this now indicates that this may have remained part of the PA's religious establishment's teachings, even though it is less frequently promoted on PA TV.
The last time official PA TV broadcast a sermon during which this Hadith calling to kill Jews was quoted was in 2010.
The years of PA promotion of killing Jews and PA religious leaders' citing this Hadith to justify it, may have contributed to the high acceptance of it in PA society. A poll sponsored by the Israel Project last year found that 73% of Palestinians "believe" this Hadith. [July 2011, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner.]
The moderator who introduced the Mufti at the Fatah event last week reiterated another Islamic belief; that the Jews are the descendants of apes and pigs:
"Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs (i.e., Jews) is a war of religion and faith."
The Mufti did not distance himself from this hate statement that Islam is in a religious war with the Jews, but added to it that Islam's goal is to kill Jews.
There are numerous collections of Hadith, some of which are not accepted as reliable. However, the Mufti stressed that the Islamic belief that Jews will be killed by Muslims as a precursor to Resurrection, is an authentic Islamic belief because it appears in "the reliable" and trusted Hadith collections of Al-Bukhari and Muslim.
This Islamic tradition asserts that as the killing of Jews will progress, Jews will hide behind stones and trees, but even they will expose the Jews and call out: "Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." One tree however, called the Gharqad, will hide the Jews from the Muslims. The Mufti in his talk at the Fatah event claimed that in response to this Islamic belief, Israelis have been planting Gharqad trees around their cities and towns, in order to have a place to hide from the Muslims who will be coming to kill them.
This is not the first time the Mufti has incited to hatred against Jews in the name of Islam. In a sermon at the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 2010, he preached that the Jews are the "enemies of Allah."
The Mufti is appointed by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. He voiced this latest hate speech, that Jews are to be killed by Muslims, at an official Fatah celebration. Abbas is also the Chairman of Fatah.
The following is an excerpt from the Fatah ceremony broadcast on PA TV:
Moderator at Fatah ceremony:
"Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs (i.e., Jews) is a war of religion and faith. Long Live Fatah! [I invite you,] our honorable Sheikh."
PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein comes to the podium and says:
"47 years ago the [Fatah] revolution started. Which revolution? The modern revolution of the Palestinian people's history. In fact, Palestine in its entirety is a revolution, since [Caliph] Umar came [to conquer Jerusalem, 637 CE], and continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith (tradition attributed to Muhammad), [found] in the two reliable collections, Bukhari and Muslim, says:
"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'
Except the Gharqad tree [which will keep silent]." Therefore it is no wonder that you see Gharqad [trees] surrounding the [Israeli] settlements and colonies.."
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
Regarding your assesment that a war with Iran would do vast harm to America;
I...the citizen consider this a "tag team" match....rather than "The long war"...no offense...but I , speaking only for myself as an individual, find the concept of "the long war" wholy unacceptable for one basic fundamental reason, it will be my kids and their kids who'll have to win it.
And if I may, a lot of folks have "tagged up" prior, and it's the same on the international stage....change is inevitable.....peacefull change is desirable.....and democracy R US, sayeth the people.
So please accept this citizen's National Intelligence Estimate in the spirit of mindset that the war on terror is evolving struggle, but not neccesarily pre-determined to be of a generation or more's duration.
Having read Sun Tzu, and understanding one of his basic military precepts was that one never allows the enemy to dictate the place or timing of battle.
So then, in the interests of global peace and security, we must not remain in static defense of freedom, but place the war on terrorism in its proper place, not in the streets of those we have liberated, but on the home turf of our enemy.
No offense do I mean to anyone in saying this....wish I knew a better way to articulate what I see as "the bottom line" as it were.
We have failed to tap the greatest ally in the war on terrorism, which is the Iranian people and their thirst for freedom. Half measures and underfunded, lack of global moral support, and continued hand-wringing as to proper international measures , when it is self-evident that it would be criminally negligent to support the Islamic Republic of Iran one day longer via trade or diplomatic ties, our allies also face a clear choice, and the Iranian people will remember who supported their freedom after the inevitable fall of the regime in Tehran.
As long as the leading sponsor of terrorism exists as safe haven next door to the fledgling democracies we've helped establish over the last 5 years, no amount of troops, no amount of diplomacy, and no amount of money spent in nation building will change the dynamics of the instability created by those who want, and have been engaged in war with the US over several decades.
That said, I am in full agreement with the President when he said,
"And the Shia extremists have achieved something that al Qaeda has so far failed to do: In 1979, they took control of a major power, the nation of Iran, subjugating its proud people to a regime of tyranny, and using that nation's resources to fund the spread of terror and pursue their radical agenda."
(Excerpt from speech-President Discusses Global War on Terror
Capital Hilton Hotel ,Washington, D.C.)
We don't want to give them the war they want nor expect....on their terms. We give them the war they are neither prepared for nor able to fight...on our terms.
--- EJ 2006 CNIE for the NSC
Seems to be exactly what congress is doing via targeted sanctions on Iran's economic and banking sectors , and as long as Iranians keep attacking embassies, they are diplomaticly "self isolating".
Fact is Pres. Obama & team have done a pretty fair job of furthering the kind of international partnerships which were formed
in the post 9/11 , but have now just come to some kind of maturity in most cases.
I'm not one to say diplomacy with Iran is useless, it's just in how one delivers on it that has folks all tied up in knots.
Simply because bombs fall doesn't mean diplomacy stops, but rather certainly changes form and function.
And most certainl;y one must weigh thought on it in order to prevent bombs from falling, knowing words can sometimes be seen as weakness...
Wheras Sun Tzu stated "When strong, apear weak"
And vice versa.
Wherby a lot of folks think Iran blusters and overstates its capabilities to do us harm, while others might seek to exaggerate their capabilities, or simply take them at their word.
So in terms of probabilities and estimates of; Whether or not Iran today is capable of fielding a medium range missile with a crude gun-type uranium based atomic bomb on the scale of "little boy" (Hiroshima) and a working nuclear deterrent thereby?
In fact, Congress called in experts to testify a few years back ;
THE REPORT OF THE COMMISSION TO ASSESS THE THREAT TO THE U.S. FROM ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE ATTACK
'http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has204000.000/has204000_0.HTM'
'http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/ask/69001.htm'
---
Point being, if you think it's dangerous to remove the government of Iran from power in order to prevent the leadership from having such a capability, just wait until they have it, if it's not too late already.
In the meantime, I'll take the President at his word that he'll work to prevent this.
Using "all options on the table", if necessary.
EJ
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
@ John in Canada,
Regarding your assesment that a war with Iran would do vast harm to America;
I...the citizen consider this a "tag team" match....rather than "The long war"...no offense...but I , speaking only for myself as an individual, find the concept of "the long war" wholy unacceptable for one basic fundamental reason, it will be my kids and their kids who'll have to win it.
And if I may, a lot of folks have "tagged up" prior, and it's the same on the international stage....change is inevitable.....peacefull change is desirable.....and democracy R US, sayeth the people.
So please accept this citizen's National Intelligence Estimate in the spirit of mindset that the war on terror is evolving struggle, but not neccesarily pre-determined to be of a generation or more's duration.
Having read Sun Tzu, and understanding one of his basic military precepts was that one never allows the enemy to dictate the place or timing of battle.
So then, in the interests of global peace and security, we must not remain in static defense of freedom, but place the war on terrorism in its proper place, not in the streets of those we have liberated, but on the home turf of our enemy.
No offense do I mean to anyone in saying this....wish I knew a better way to articulate what I see as "the bottom line" as it were.
We have failed to tap the greatest ally in the war on terrorism, which is the Iranian people and their thirst for freedom. Half measures and underfunded, lack of global moral support, and continued hand-wringing as to proper international measures , when it is self-evident that it would be criminally negligent to support the Islamic Republic of Iran one day longer via trade or diplomatic ties, our allies also face a clear choice, and the Iranian people will remember who supported their freedom after the inevitable fall of the regime in Tehran.
As long as the leading sponsor of terrorism exists as safe haven next door to the fledgling democracies we've helped establish over the last 5 years, no amount of troops, no amount of diplomacy, and no amount of money spent in nation building will change the dynamics of the instability created by those who want, and have been engaged in war with the US over several decades.
That said, I am in full agreement with the President when he said,
"And the Shia extremists have achieved something that al Qaeda has so far failed to do: In 1979, they took control of a major power, the nation of Iran, subjugating its proud people to a regime of tyranny, and using that nation's resources to fund the spread of terror and pursue their radical agenda."
(Excerpt from speech-President Discusses Global War on Terror
Capital Hilton Hotel ,Washington, D.C.)
We don't want to give them the war they want nor expect....on their terms. We give them the war they are neither prepared for nor able to fight...on our terms.
--- EJ 2006 CNIE for the NSC
Seems to be exactly what congress is doing via targeted sanctions on Iran's economic and banking sectors , and as long as Iranians keep attacking embassies, they are diplomaticly "self isolating".
Fact is Pres. Obama & team have done a pretty fair job of furthering the kind of international partnerships which were formed
in the post 9/11 , but have now just come to some kind of maturity in most cases.
I'm not one to say diplomacy with Iran is useless, it's just in how one delivers on it that has folks all tied up in knots.
Simply because bombs fall doesn't mean diplomacy stops, but rather certainly changes form and function.
And most certainl;y one must weigh thought on it in order to prevent bombs from falling, knowing words can sometimes be seen as weakness...
Wheras Sun Tzu stated "When strong, apear weak"
And vice versa.
Wherby a lot of folks think Iran blusters and overstates its capabilities to do us harm, while others might seek to exaggerate their capabilities, or simply take them at their word.
So in terms of probabilities and estimates of; Whether or not Iran today is capable of fielding a medium range missile with a crude gun-type uranium based atomic bomb on the scale of "little boy" (Hiroshima) and a working nuclear deterrent thereby?
In fact, Congress called in experts to testify a few years back ;
THE REPORT OF THE COMMISSION TO ASSESS THE THREAT TO THE U.S. FROM ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE ATTACK
'http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has204000.000/has204000_0.HTM'
'http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/ask/69001.htm'
---
Point being, if you think it's dangerous to remove the government of Iran from power in order to prevent the leadership from having such a capability, just wait until they have it, if it's not too late already.
In the meantime, I'll take the President at his word that he'll work to prevent this.
Using "all options on the table", if necessary.
EJ
Posted on Tue Feb 07, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
P.S. @ John in Canada,
If you were to follow the link I provided, then follow the last link on the cxomments I provided on that other thread "never again"--you'l come to an exact understanding of what I actually get out of this.
Payment comes in different forms than a paycheck.
regards,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
P.S. @ John in Canada,
If you were to follow the link I provided, then follow the last link on the cxomments I provided on that other thread "never again"--you'l come to an exact understanding of what I actually get out of this.
Payment comes in different forms than a paycheck.
regards,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ John in Canada
Why do you ask? You can't afford us anyway "Sir"...
We are not for sale. We just write.
By the way, how much are you paid?... for asking this?
It's not a rocket science for sure. Iran has done it a rocket science and threat.
I am near by the area and i wnat to live!
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
@ John in Canada
Why do you ask? You can't afford us anyway "Sir"...
We are not for sale. We just write.
By the way, how much are you paid?... for asking this?
It's not a rocket science for sure. Iran has done it a rocket science and threat.
I am near by the area and i wnat to live!
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Canada,
Re: @ Eric & John P in Greece - you guys remind me of the old muppets that sit up on the balcony - you know who/what im talking about?
Look, you can refer to us as "the Smurfs" for all I care, but really....we are as "old" friends after 4 + years having conversations on this blog. Yet never having met in person.
Such is the potential "unintended consequence" of this blog, but being just sinply a social side effect of of the continue -in.
As for your perceptions of America's "security posture" in the world, what you are witness to is a work in progress, with some on the job training thrown in.
Pretty tough to know just what will unfold in the future, but governments make assesmemts by probabilities and estimates.
"Fluid" is just another word for change.
As Karzai once put it;
"We got to do a million times better."
The people will remember who supported their freedom and who did not.
It's why America has no permanent enemies.
I get my understanding from experience with the Iranian opposition insofar as I've helped them have a voice in the matter at points in time past, and it's been an honor working with folks lookin' to be free.
You ought to come on down South here and pay a visit I'll show you freedom. And a multi-ethnic culture all living in peace for hundreds of years.
best,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
@ John in Canada,
Re: @ Eric & John P in Greece - you guys remind me of the old muppets that sit up on the balcony - you know who/what im talking about?
Look, you can refer to us as "the Smurfs" for all I care, but really....we are as "old" friends after 4 + years having conversations on this blog. Yet never having met in person.
Such is the potential "unintended consequence" of this blog, but being just sinply a social side effect of of the continue -in.
As for your perceptions of America's "security posture" in the world, what you are witness to is a work in progress, with some on the job training thrown in.
Pretty tough to know just what will unfold in the future, but governments make assesmemts by probabilities and estimates.
"Fluid" is just another word for change.
As Karzai once put it;
"We got to do a million times better."
The people will remember who supported their freedom and who did not.
It's why America has no permanent enemies.
I get my understanding from experience with the Iranian opposition insofar as I've helped them have a voice in the matter at points in time past, and it's been an honor working with folks lookin' to be free.
You ought to come on down South here and pay a visit I'll show you freedom. And a multi-ethnic culture all living in peace for hundreds of years.
best,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ WW,
Sorry to butt in on your innocence of mind, but John's message was more of an inside joke, and really all I can do is provide the links to the tail end of the story...(chuckle)...as no "spoiler" to a novel without end, for this book John's refering to is an invention born of a common understanding, co-authored by the citizens of every nation that comments here, including those who'd think it would take an "act of God" to get the mullah's and ayatollahs of Iran along with the rest of the power structure of the Islamic Republic of Iran to become truly democratic, a nation of free individuals, free from the oppression of the State.
I personally agree with your assesment by the way, as there is a distinct difference in the ability of a nation or a group of nations to "contain" or to achieve "behaivior change" of a totalitairian theocracy based upon a militarist architecture and quasi-socialist economic model and expect global peace and tranquility to prevail.
That's flat expecting pigs to fly....(chuckle).
It's not like the Soviet Union when we outspent on defense of Europe, to the point that keepin' up with the Jones' on the Soviet system nearly bankrupted them trying to keep pace with us, and there was no real trade between West and East on the Eurasian continent.
It is far easier to change a Socialist Totalitarian model of government into a true democratic experiment than it is to bring a theocratic based milataristic dictatorship ruled by a "supreme leader" who accuses his detractors among the public to be "warring against God".
Note:
[ No insult to policy makers intetended, but
I think it's time to put policy
"under review"....if that's what folks
call - thinkin' about it -...(a logical
conclusion derived from a cause and effect
continue-in). ]
I keep tryin to get on with "Change we can live with, but there are those idiots out there that keep me writing in new chapters of Political stupidity to provide imputus for a different kind of diplomatic lexicon to emerge.
Starting with;
"Regime Replacement Therapy" as to replace the tired ol' "Regime Change" that just doesn't fit a proper description of the notion anymore.
The Therapy be all about winning the peace.
best,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
@ WW,
Sorry to butt in on your innocence of mind, but John's message was more of an inside joke, and really all I can do is provide the links to the tail end of the story...(chuckle)...as no "spoiler" to a novel without end, for this book John's refering to is an invention born of a common understanding, co-authored by the citizens of every nation that comments here, including those who'd think it would take an "act of God" to get the mullah's and ayatollahs of Iran along with the rest of the power structure of the Islamic Republic of Iran to become truly democratic, a nation of free individuals, free from the oppression of the State.
I personally agree with your assesment by the way, as there is a distinct difference in the ability of a nation or a group of nations to "contain" or to achieve "behaivior change" of a totalitairian theocracy based upon a militarist architecture and quasi-socialist economic model and expect global peace and tranquility to prevail.
That's flat expecting pigs to fly....(chuckle).
It's not like the Soviet Union when we outspent on defense of Europe, to the point that keepin' up with the Jones' on the Soviet system nearly bankrupted them trying to keep pace with us, and there was no real trade between West and East on the Eurasian continent.
It is far easier to change a Socialist Totalitarian model of government into a true democratic experiment than it is to bring a theocratic based milataristic dictatorship ruled by a "supreme leader" who accuses his detractors among the public to be "warring against God".
Note:
[ No insult to policy makers intetended, but
I think it's time to put policy
"under review"....if that's what folks
call - thinkin' about it -...(a logical
conclusion derived from a cause and effect
continue-in). ]
I keep tryin to get on with "Change we can live with, but there are those idiots out there that keep me writing in new chapters of Political stupidity to provide imputus for a different kind of diplomatic lexicon to emerge.
Starting with;
"Regime Replacement Therapy" as to replace the tired ol' "Regime Change" that just doesn't fit a proper description of the notion anymore.
The Therapy be all about winning the peace.
best,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
John in Canada writes:
Always fascinating to read the comments on here. How much are you guys paid?
@ WW - hate to break it to you but the Jews and Christians are waiting for someone and are just as passionate as the Iranians. Or have you overlooked this or just plain forget the inconvenience of this?
@ Eric & John P in Greece - you guys remind me of the old muppets that sit up on the balcony - you know who/what im talking about?
Do you guys get your information on reality or from Hollywood?
How many wars has America engaged in since WW2? What has it really done for America? What point is war if your country gets hammered into the ground financially? What country/empire has ever engaged in war that does their people worse? The British empire comes to mind.
look around - do Americans have more freedom or less? Are Americans better off financially because of these wars? NO and that is not just reality - that is epic stupidity of the highest order.
How long have so many nations been fighting the Taliban? Surely if the American military is all that you spew - then that war should have been done in 6 months - 10 years on and you probably will have to hand back power to the Taliban. You call that a success?
In Iraq - look at the place - you call that a success? Give me failure over your Muppet perception of success any day.
If these two latest wars are anything to go by - what the heck would war look like with multiple million man armies coming from the east? Not good IMHO. SCREWED comes to mind.
America funded Pakistan (a country if you grease some palms with cash you can find out anything) while the most hunted terrorist hid within her borders. Not only did he hide but seems he was living with his wives no less, in a very large home. Not what you would expect from the most wanted terrorist; hunted supposedly by how many security services in the world? You call that a success?
Clearly he felt safe to do so. Or do you think someone who feels threatened hides with his family in such a way?
Seems he felt so safe he even got married while on the run. Do you really think that elements within Pakistan could offer him such safety and security for so long by themselves? Not a chance - I would speculate that there are elements within your supposed friendly countries that America shares info with, that had a heavy hand in this protection of such a loser for so long. Ever crossed your Rambo minds or has the obvious eluded you?
Now if this guy had help from so called friendly countries - I would say America has a much bigger problem than AQ or Iran. I would go so far as to say that conflict with Iran just furthers the goals of those that wish harm to America and muppets like you guys further it like unwitting fools.
While people like you busily bark at the moon day or night - you remain totally utterly clueless in the light of day of what stares you in the face.
War with Iran would prove devastating for America. But don't take my word for it - go to war and see for yourself.
Its not rocket science.
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
Always fascinating to read the comments on here. How much are you guys paid?
@ WW - hate to break it to you but the Jews and Christians are waiting for someone and are just as passionate as the Iranians. Or have you overlooked this or just plain forget the inconvenience of this?
@ Eric & John P in Greece - you guys remind me of the old muppets that sit up on the balcony - you know who/what im talking about?
Do you guys get your information on reality or from Hollywood?
How many wars has America engaged in since WW2? What has it really done for America? What point is war if your country gets hammered into the ground financially? What country/empire has ever engaged in war that does their people worse? The British empire comes to mind.
look around - do Americans have more freedom or less? Are Americans better off financially because of these wars? NO and that is not just reality - that is epic stupidity of the highest order.
How long have so many nations been fighting the Taliban? Surely if the American military is all that you spew - then that war should have been done in 6 months - 10 years on and you probably will have to hand back power to the Taliban. You call that a success?
In Iraq - look at the place - you call that a success? Give me failure over your Muppet perception of success any day.
If these two latest wars are anything to go by - what the heck would war look like with multiple million man armies coming from the east? Not good IMHO. SCREWED comes to mind.
America funded Pakistan (a country if you grease some palms with cash you can find out anything) while the most hunted terrorist hid within her borders. Not only did he hide but seems he was living with his wives no less, in a very large home. Not what you would expect from the most wanted terrorist; hunted supposedly by how many security services in the world? You call that a success?
Clearly he felt safe to do so. Or do you think someone who feels threatened hides with his family in such a way?
Seems he felt so safe he even got married while on the run. Do you really think that elements within Pakistan could offer him such safety and security for so long by themselves? Not a chance - I would speculate that there are elements within your supposed friendly countries that America shares info with, that had a heavy hand in this protection of such a loser for so long. Ever crossed your Rambo minds or has the obvious eluded you?
Now if this guy had help from so called friendly countries - I would say America has a much bigger problem than AQ or Iran. I would go so far as to say that conflict with Iran just furthers the goals of those that wish harm to America and muppets like you guys further it like unwitting fools.
While people like you busily bark at the moon day or night - you remain totally utterly clueless in the light of day of what stares you in the face.
War with Iran would prove devastating for America. But don't take my word for it - go to war and see for yourself.
Its not rocket science.
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
W.W. writes:
@ John P. in Greece -- well your message is too complicated to be interpretated for my central average intelligence mind but I just know one thing and one thing only and is that we are in front of something that human kind has never faced and experienced before in world history...
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
@ John P. in Greece -- well your message is too complicated to be interpretated for my central average intelligence mind but I just know one thing and one thing only and is that we are in front of something that human kind has never faced and experienced before in world history...
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ Ashim C. in India,
You might find this site to be informative;
'http://gsn.nti.org/gsn/'
...as Sam Nunn - Senator, Co-Chairman and CEO, Nuclear Threat Initiative spoke at the security conference;
'http://www.securityconference.de/Samuel-A-Nunn.824+M52087573ab0.0.html'
---
here's a few more links to video of various speakers including Sec. Clinton;
'http://www.securityconference.de/Hillary-R-Clinton.827+M52087573ab0.0.html'
Main link to access all speakers;
'http://www.securityconference.de/Speeches.422+M52087573ab0.0.html'
I would caution you that prosperity cannot be achieved at the expense of security, simply because humanity does not live in an ideal world in peaceful coexistance, and so a balance must be achieved in what kind of future one invests in to create a more peaceful and prosperous existance.
I mean it would be great if every nation with nuclear missiles duck-taped all the world's pissed off preachers to them so the rest of humanity could one night soon watch a a grand fireworks display on the moon, and never have to worry about nuclear war again, but my friend, we're a long way off from getting there from here, so long as what is in the common interests of humanity is still up for debate while dictators and terrorists are on the loose, and much handwringing about what to do to relieve ourselves of them runs amok in political fora in never ending position papers and a lack of trust among those in the international community.
best,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
@ Ashim C. in India,
You might find this site to be informative;
'http://gsn.nti.org/gsn/'
...as Sam Nunn - Senator, Co-Chairman and CEO, Nuclear Threat Initiative spoke at the security conference;
'http://www.securityconference.de/Samuel-A-Nunn.824+M52087573ab0.0.html'
---
here's a few more links to video of various speakers including Sec. Clinton;
'http://www.securityconference.de/Hillary-R-Clinton.827+M52087573ab0.0.html'
Main link to access all speakers;
'http://www.securityconference.de/Speeches.422+M52087573ab0.0.html'
I would caution you that prosperity cannot be achieved at the expense of security, simply because humanity does not live in an ideal world in peaceful coexistance, and so a balance must be achieved in what kind of future one invests in to create a more peaceful and prosperous existance.
I mean it would be great if every nation with nuclear missiles duck-taped all the world's pissed off preachers to them so the rest of humanity could one night soon watch a a grand fireworks display on the moon, and never have to worry about nuclear war again, but my friend, we're a long way off from getting there from here, so long as what is in the common interests of humanity is still up for debate while dictators and terrorists are on the loose, and much handwringing about what to do to relieve ourselves of them runs amok in political fora in never ending position papers and a lack of trust among those in the international community.
best,
EJ
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
Eric in New Mexico writes:
@ John in Greece,
Dude, the thing about free advice is that it's worth absolutely nothing as long as the other guy ain't listening.
And with the "supreme leader" of Iran, the only way that's going to happen is if the State dept. dresses me up as the Mahdi, and convinces him I've posted the word of Allah (raw and unedited) on "the great Satan's" blog, otherwise affectionately called Dipnote...(chuckle).
Considering the Title;
"The Cure for Political Stupidity, and /or How Not to go to War with America (the idiot's guide)"
And knowing how much Iranians generally like conspiracies, it will take folks @ State quite the Oscar-winning diplomatic effort to convince the grand ol' pissed off preacher I'm the real deal, but they can start by explaining to him that it was written in such a way as folks in the wild, wild, infidel West could understand and appreciate, knowing he of course could make heads or tails of it regardless, since the grand poobah of Iran is the sole authority authorized to interpret what may be "Satanic verses" and what may be created from a higher intelligence than his own.
As for things past read, posted, and digested, I've regurgitated a few links on this thread so the readership may not have any regrets, or miss out on all the fun I've had Divinely trying to inspire the masses...as well as my Gov.,.. to think...LOL!
"http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/entry/unesco_education_holocaust#Comments"
Disclaimer;
( I hereby indemnify the US dept. of State for any and all responsibility or damages incurred for any Fatwa that may be placed on my head by any Iranian official after having published this work on their official blog)
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
@ John in Greece,
Dude, the thing about free advice is that it's worth absolutely nothing as long as the other guy ain't listening.
And with the "supreme leader" of Iran, the only way that's going to happen is if the State dept. dresses me up as the Mahdi, and convinces him I've posted the word of Allah (raw and unedited) on "the great Satan's" blog, otherwise affectionately called Dipnote...(chuckle).
Considering the Title;
"The Cure for Political Stupidity, and /or How Not to go to War with America (the idiot's guide)"
And knowing how much Iranians generally like conspiracies, it will take folks @ State quite the Oscar-winning diplomatic effort to convince the grand ol' pissed off preacher I'm the real deal, but they can start by explaining to him that it was written in such a way as folks in the wild, wild, infidel West could understand and appreciate, knowing he of course could make heads or tails of it regardless, since the grand poobah of Iran is the sole authority authorized to interpret what may be "Satanic verses" and what may be created from a higher intelligence than his own.
As for things past read, posted, and digested, I've regurgitated a few links on this thread so the readership may not have any regrets, or miss out on all the fun I've had Divinely trying to inspire the masses...as well as my Gov.,.. to think...LOL!
"http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/site/entry/unesco_education_holocaust#Comments"
Disclaimer;
( I hereby indemnify the US dept. of State for any and all responsibility or damages incurred for any Fatwa that may be placed on my head by any Iranian official after having published this work on their official blog)
Posted on Mon Feb 06, 2012
John P. in Greece writes:
@ W.W.
We sometimes regret for things we had not read in the past.
Ayatollah Khamenei will surely regret that he didn’t take advantage of what the “Idiot’s guide” could offer him in terms of helping his nation.
Besides, he will feel very disappointed when he realize that “Why not to make war with America”, EJ’s web-bestseller, is absolutely FREE (CHUCKLE) through the archives of our BLOG and only for a fraction of what the Iranian government will cost to their country in case they don’t find the courage and time to go through the provided study cases and analysis in order to develop a more clever strategy.
I hope they stop all these childish nuclear experiments and threats and start reading from Political Science 101 till the “guide”. It’s their only chance… to defrag their future.
Posted on Sun Feb 05, 2012
@ W.W.
We sometimes regret for things we had not read in the past.
Ayatollah Khamenei will surely regret that he didn’t take advantage of what the “Idiot’s guide” could offer him in terms of helping his nation.
Besides, he will feel very disappointed when he realize that “Why not to make war with America”, EJ’s web-bestseller, is absolutely FREE (CHUCKLE) through the archives of our BLOG and only for a fraction of what the Iranian government will cost to their country in case they don’t find the courage and time to go through the provided study cases and analysis in order to develop a more clever strategy.
I hope they stop all these childish nuclear experiments and threats and start reading from Political Science 101 till the “guide”. It’s their only chance… to defrag their future.
Posted on Sun Feb 05, 2012
Ashim C. in India writes:
Issue of arms control of both conventional and non conventional type is most critical for Asia, which is hot bed of some of the most explosive territorial, water resource related dispute in which some of the strongest millitary powers with nuclear arms. This is incidentally also the largest concentration of poorest population of world, which have the highest levels of defense spending. Such conferences should be held in Beijing, New Delhi and Islamabad in rotation. Without their defense outlays, this region can be harbinger of unprecedent growth of trade and commerce of civilian goods and services among nations in this region and between this region and rest of the world. Process can start with realistic appreciation of threat perceptions of these nations and holding out to people of the region promise of better life. Add up the defense budget of the region and see how realistic the proposition is. But international diplomacy for this has to begin at the level of next generation of population who have the greatest stake in the issue.
Posted on Sun Feb 05, 2012
Issue of arms control of both conventional and non conventional type is most critical for Asia, which is hot bed of some of the most explosive territorial, water resource related dispute in which some of the strongest millitary powers with nuclear arms. This is incidentally also the largest concentration of poorest population of world, which have the highest levels of defense spending. Such conferences should be held in Beijing, New Delhi and Islamabad in rotation. Without their defense outlays, this region can be harbinger of unprecedent growth of trade and commerce of civilian goods and services among nations in this region and between this region and rest of the world. Process can start with realistic appreciation of threat perceptions of these nations and holding out to people of the region promise of better life. Add up the defense budget of the region and see how realistic the proposition is. But international diplomacy for this has to begin at the level of next generation of population who have the greatest stake in the issue.
Posted on Sun Feb 05, 2012
W.W. writes:
international security : when a spiritual country leader states as the following and he is not condemn from an international community as a brutal tribal belleaver then International security has an huge problem
Iran is waiting for the Mahdi
Amid crippling sanctions over its nuclear weapons program, Iran is continuing to prepare itself for war against the West, and now is warning of a coming great event. “In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.
Posted on Sun Feb 05, 2012
international security : when a spiritual country leader states as the following and he is not condemn from an international community as a brutal tribal belleaver then International security has an huge problem
Iran is waiting for the Mahdi
Amid crippling sanctions over its nuclear weapons program, Iran is continuing to prepare itself for war against the West, and now is warning of a coming great event. “In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.
Posted on Sun Feb 05, 2012
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